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Author Topic: Thuc Consecrations/Ordinations Highly Doubtful  (Read 9163 times)

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Re: Thuc Consecrations/Ordinations Highly Doubtful
« Reply #60 on: August 26, 2019, 05:07:17 PM »
So far the only evidence of senility you've provided is just multiple people saying "He made consecrations we didn't agree with!". That isn't proof of senility at all, or even an indicator of it.

LMAO:

I am going to send someone to your house tonight to tell you that the BVM sent him to fetch you to bring you to the Congo.

If you go, would you be sane?

But wait, there's more!

Shortly thereafter, I'm going to apologize and concelebrate the new Mass.

Then 3 weeks later, I am going to "consecrate" des Lauriers.

Then I'm going to consecrate ANYONE who asks to be consecrated.

Then I'll repent again, then I'll revert again, and on and on.

Am I senile, or just plain evil?

Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: Thuc Consecrations/Ordinations Highly Doubtful
« Reply #61 on: August 26, 2019, 05:23:48 PM »
Damn right, QVD, anything but schismatic, heretical sedevacantism.

Now back to the topic:

I don't care if you know 30 people with letters from their mommies who say Thuc was steady as a rock.

When bishops and cardinals, sedes, and trad priests say he was off kilter, your buddies' opinions don't amount to a hill of beans.
I am on topic because I see right through your agenda. You try, unsuccessfully, to cast dispersions on the only theory, during this crisis, that is supported by nearly all theologians, Doctors of the Church and basic logic.
The nonsense that you’re peddling has been put to rest long ago. Muddying the waters is a sad and futile defense of your position.


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Re: Thuc Consecrations/Ordinations Highly Doubtful
« Reply #62 on: August 26, 2019, 05:34:33 PM »
LMAO:

I am going to send someone to your house tonight to tell you that the BVM sent him to fetch you to bring you to the Congo.

If you go, would you be sane?

But wait, there's more!

Shortly thereafter, I'm going to apologize and concelebrate the new Mass.

Then 3 weeks later, I am going to "consecrate" des Lauriers.

Then I'm going to consecrate ANYONE who asks to be consecrated.

Then I'll repent again, then I'll revert again, and on and on.

Am I senile, or just plain evil?
“I am going to send someone to your house tonight to tell you that the BVM sent him to fetch you to bring you to the Congo.”

It wasn’t the Congo, it was Europe. Nice exaggeration though. As for the rest, at least he saw that there was a problem in the Church. Yeah, I might not have acted the way he did, but then again I wasn’t an Archbishop who experienced the havoc that Vatican II and the arch heretic Montini was doing to the Church. 




Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: Thuc Consecrations/Ordinations Highly Doubtful
« Reply #63 on: August 26, 2019, 05:46:35 PM »
Damn right, QVD, anything but schismatic, heretical sedevacantism.
That’s right stick with your church of the superfluous pope and superfluous magisterium. Anything but sedevacantism.

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Re: Thuc Consecrations/Ordinations Highly Doubtful
« Reply #64 on: August 26, 2019, 05:48:45 PM »
Oh?

How do you explain this:

I explain this by the fact that all of the testimony you cited is nothing more than what +Kelly does, speculate that he was unstable due to the unpredictable nature of his activities.  He would do something, then recant, then do something similar.  None of it speaks to the basic fact of whether he knew what he was doing.  Did +Thuc know what a bishop was and what Holy Orders are?  There's no question that he did.  His being a weak man who could be easily manipulated has no bearing on this simple fact.  +Mendez too was clearly and obviously being manipulated by +Kelly.  +Kelly is just a self-serving hypocrite, since all the issues with +Thuc apply even more to +Mendez.  There were people who know him at the precise time of the consecrations who explicitly stated that +Mendez was in a frail mental state and was manipulated emotionally by +Kelly into performing the consecration.  And that doesn't matter either ... in terms of validity (except +Kelly thinks it's material the +Thuc case while gratuitously dismissing it in the case of +Mendez).  In the case of +Thuc, his mental lucidity is corroborated by many people who know him well during the time.  Mental Lucidity and being suggestible and easily manipulated are two different things.

It's the same kind of Modernist subjectivist reasoning that's applied these days to engineer all these fake marriage annulments.  I didn't REALLY want to do it.  I had cold feet.  I was under a lot of pressure due to my dad having already paid for the wedding.  etc. etc. etc.  NONE OF THAT MATTERS.  Unless you were explicitly co-erced and/or had no idea what marriage was, or were half-unconscious on drugs so that you didn't know where you were and who you are during the ceremony, the valid intention is presumed to exist.

Same thing with +Thuc.  That Rite of Episcopal Consecration is NO TRIVIAL matter, and the mere fact that +Thuc was able to perform it and to properly read the text suggests that he was in possession of his faculties to the point that he knew what he was doing.