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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Thuc Consecrations/Ordinations Highly Doubtful
« Reply #55 on: August 26, 2019, 04:43:28 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on August 26, 2019, 04:36:30 PM
Yes.

PS: Can I know my Uncle Louie is senile if I am not a doctor?
From the link I shared above:

Your Excellency’s claim that the Thuc consecrations must be considered doubtful because Bp. Thuc may not have been in a mental state sufficient to have the necessary sacramental intention totally leaves out of account the fact that the minimum-necessary intention for conferring a valid sacrament is based on the minimum necessary for a human act, which is an act proceeding from knowledge and free will. “Mental imbalance,” if such should have been the case with Bp. Thuc, does not nearly suffice to prevent one from engaging in a human act. There is no evidence that Bp. Thuc was insane, much less habitually so, and such would have to be proven clinically anyway, as any court of law, ecclesiastical or civil, would require.

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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Thuc Consecrations/Ordinations Highly Doubtful
« Reply #56 on: August 26, 2019, 04:54:50 PM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on August 26, 2019, 04:43:28 PM
From the link I shared above:

Your Excellency’s claim that the Thuc consecrations must be considered doubtful because Bp. Thuc may not have been in a mental state sufficient to have the necessary sacramental intention totally leaves out of account the fact that the minimum-necessary intention for conferring a valid sacrament is based on the minimum necessary for a human act, which is an act proceeding from knowledge and free will. “Mental imbalance,” if such should have been the case with Bp. Thuc, does not nearly suffice to prevent one from engaging in a human act. There is no evidence that Bp. Thuc was insane, much less habitually so, and such would have to be proven clinically anyway, as any court of law, ecclesiastical or civil, would require.

The senile do not commit human acts, and consequently, they do not confect sacraments.

I refer you to Pohle-Preuss above.
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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: Thuc Consecrations/Ordinations Highly Doubtful
« Reply #57 on: August 26, 2019, 04:58:30 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on August 26, 2019, 04:25:37 PM
You are grasping at straws:

If they know a bishop is senile, they don't need to be at the consecration to hold it doubtful.

It is presumed doubtful because of the senility, since the senile cannot confect a sacrament.
I know (and knew) several people who knew the Archbishop personally. They ALL attest that he was mentally sound and that he celebrated mass perfectly. Anything but sedevacantism, right Sean?
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Thuc Consecrations/Ordinations Highly Doubtful
« Reply #58 on: August 26, 2019, 05:01:48 PM »
Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on August 26, 2019, 04:58:30 PM
I know (and knew) several people who knew the Archbishop personally. They ALL attest that he was mentally sound and that he celebrated mass perfectly. Anything but sedevacantism, right Sean?

Damn right, QVD, anything but schismatic, heretical sedevacantism.

Now back to the topic:

I don't care if you know 30 people with letters from their mommies who say Thuc was steady as a rock.

When bishops and cardinals, sedes, and trad priests say he was off kilter, your buddies' opinions don't amount to a hill of beans.

And I might ask, "Where is your common sense?"  The man flies off at the drop of the hat to go consecrate some strangers becaause some other stranger arrives to tell him the BVM sent him to fetch him to go do some consecrations!?!?

Sorry but if you can't see that is crazy, I don't think I can help you.
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Offline forlorn

Re: Thuc Consecrations/Ordinations Highly Doubtful
« Reply #59 on: August 26, 2019, 05:05:33 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on August 26, 2019, 05:01:48 PM
Damn right, QVD, anything but schismatic, heretical sedevacantism.

Now back to the topic:

I don't care if you know 30 people with letters from their mommies who say Thuc was steady as a rock.

When bishops and cardinals, sedes, and trad priests say he was off kilter, your buddies' opinions don't amount to a hill of beans.
So far the only evidence of senility you've provided is just multiple people saying "He made consecrations we didn't agree with!". That isn't proof of senility at all, or even an indicator of it.
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