Author Topic: Those Who Reject The Popes And Are Out Of the Church (Read 8679 times)

JPaul · « **Reply #30 on:** April 27, 2015, 12:39:11 PM »

Quote from: Centroamerica

Quote from: LaramieHirsch

Church hierarchy can't even come out and clearly state that Medjugorje is a hoax.

If they can't do that, then I hardly think that they will EVER have the BASIC CAPABILITY to dare to claim the SSPX is either in or out of the Catholic Church.

That's like comparing apples and oranges, one of which completely rotten.

Medjugorrie does not attack the Vatican II sect but rather promotes it. That's a big difference.

The resistance position is that it is only partially rotten, which is a problem.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #31 on:** April 27, 2015, 03:27:56 PM »

Quote from: J.Paul

Quote from: Centroamerica
Quote from: LaramieHirsch

Church hierarchy can't even come out and clearly state that Medjugorje is a hoax.

If they can't do that, then I hardly think that they will EVER have the BASIC CAPABILITY to dare to claim the SSPX is either in or out of the Catholic Church.

That's like comparing apples and oranges, one of which completely rotten.

Medjugorrie does not attack the Vatican II sect but rather promotes it. That's a big difference.

The resistance position is that it is only partially rotten, which is a problem.

Regardless of any dogmatic sedevacantist position, to equate the resistance or the SSPX with Medjorgurjhie is a very flawed reason.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #32 on:** April 27, 2015, 04:57:05 PM »

Quote from: Centroamerica

Quote from: J.Paul
Quote from: Centroamerica
Quote from: LaramieHirsch

Church hierarchy can't even come out and clearly state that Medjugorje is a hoax.

If they can't do that, then I hardly think that they will EVER have the BASIC CAPABILITY to dare to claim the SSPX is either in or out of the Catholic Church.

That's like comparing apples and oranges, one of which completely rotten.

Medjugorrie does not attack the Vatican II sect but rather promotes it. That's a big difference.

The resistance position is that it is only partially rotten, which is a problem.

Regardless of any dogmatic sedevacantist position, to equate the resistance or the SSPX with Medjorgurjhie is a very flawed reason.

I understood Laramie's comment to mean that the novus ordo hierarchy won't identify Medjugorge as a hoax and, since they won't do that, then deciding whether or not the SSPX is in the Church is not something they would tackle either. Since the SSPX is considered to be an canonical irregularity, the novus ordo clergy already considers the SSPX as "IN".

Remember a while back when a priest in the Diocese of Richmond VA wrote an article for his Diocesan newspaper saying that the SSPX was in schism and that if a Catholic felt some inner urge to go to a TLM they should seek out the FSSP or a Diocesan priest. Well, in less than a week he had to publicly recant. He had to write a follow up article renouncing his own accusation of the SSPX being "in schism" because Rome straightened him out and in a hurry.

As for Medjugorge, at some future date the Church will make a decision. It may not be in our lifetime.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #33 on:** April 27, 2015, 05:01:44 PM »

Has any novus ordite hierarchy (Bishop or Cardinal) or one of the post-Vatican II popes made any public statement regarding one of the sedevacantist groups?

reconquest · « **Reply #34 on:** April 27, 2015, 05:12:04 PM »

The N.O. hierarchy tolerates Medjugorje for strategic reasons, Laramie. It is a way of drawing the faithful away from lesser-known but legitimate places of pilgrimage and thereby further isolating them from true Catholicism.

LaramieHirsch · « **Reply #35 on:** April 27, 2015, 07:46:52 PM »

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The N.O. hierarchy tolerates Medjugorje for strategic reasons, Laramie. It is a way of drawing the faithful away from lesser-known but legitimate places of pilgrimage and thereby further isolating them from true Catholicism.

This seems likely. Yes.

songbird · « **Reply #36 on:** April 27, 2015, 07:50:27 PM »

What is it referred to when popes reject God, The Church that His Son founded here on earth? Do we not have fruits to show to us, that they rejected the Body and Blood of Christ? Do we not have it publicly, out in the open, that communist took over and made the vatican theirs? Of course we do! WE have been told by Popes from 1870 -1947 that anyone who supports, follows or aligns themselves to communists/secret societies are excommunicated.

Franciscan Solitary · « **Reply #37 on:** April 28, 2015, 02:31:51 AM »

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What is it referred to when popes reject God, The Church that His Son founded here on earth? Do we not have fruits to show to us, that they rejected the Body and Blood of Christ? Do we not have it publicly, out in the open, that communist took over and made the vatican theirs? Of course we do! WE have been told by Popes from 1870 -1947 that anyone who supports, follows or aligns themselves to communists/secret societies are excommunicated.

The Novus Ordo is the Communist Church. They are excommunicate.

Neither law nor charity require that we give excommunicates obedience. Charity demands that we offer them the Sacrament of Penance. That is our true religious duty to them. They are in need of penance, not obedience.

McFiggly · « **Reply #38 on:** April 28, 2015, 02:44:12 AM »

If St. Bernard called Anacletus the abomination of desolation standing in the Holy place, I wonder what he would have called Francis.

songbird · « **Reply #39 on:** April 29, 2015, 12:59:00 PM »

He would have called him, "A damed fool!"

trento · « **Reply #40 on:** April 29, 2015, 01:16:45 PM »

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The SSPX was never outside the Church.

Exactly. The SSPX never believes it is outside the Church. "Irregular situation" with regards to relations with the authorities in Rome, yes, but never outside the Church.

veribus · « **Reply #41 on:** May 04, 2015, 10:33:15 AM »

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Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
The SSPX was never outside the Church.

Exactly. The SSPX never believes it is outside the Church. "Irregular situation" with regards to relations with the authorities in Rome, yes, but never outside the Church.

Never outside the Vatican II church, certainly. They were formed in it, and are of it.

No Saint who ever lived would recognize the practices of an SSPX chapel.

songbird · « **Reply #42 on:** May 04, 2015, 03:48:59 PM »

Veribus: You answered well! Pope Pius XII made it clear, anyone aligning themselves to Communist would be excommunicated. I hate to say it, but it is true, Pius the X are aligned with communist. Very sad, Cardinal Manning would say.

And those who oppose the hierarchy of the church that is not Christ's but man's are not sede Vacantist as they are opposing Communism/Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. I think that is a better way to explain myself. It puts it in the right place. No one speaks communism in Vat. II. Those secret societies would rather keep words like Comme, or Communist and such, to be never spoken of, never! We should say it more often. So, I prefer not to be excommunicated and stay obedient to the Church that Christ founded.