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Author Topic: Letter of +Thomas Aquinas to ++Vigano  (Read 5344 times)

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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Letter of +Thomas Aquinas to ++Vigano
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2020, 09:00:35 AM »
I am OK with calling him a Pope out of acknowledgement of the reality that he materially occupies the See.  Vigano of course constantly referred to him simply as Bergoglio.  But to keep claiming that these men don't have the faith but then have legitimate authority in the Church, it's total desperation, an emotional reaction against sedevacantism ... but it's totally bankrupt.
Yes. As I said, it is becoming clearer to me, and apparently others - Vigano it seems also - as time goes by. 

Re: Letter of +Thomas Aquinas to ++Vigano
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2020, 09:06:40 AM »
This is garbage.  +Lefebvre was open to sedevacantism and rather sympathetic to the thesis that these men might not be legitimate popes.  This is obviously a ploy to try to dissuade Vigano from going in that direction.  I suspect that the Bishop here got the same sedevacantist vibes from Vigano's letter that I did.
And he'll drop him like a hot potato if he does.


Re: Letter of +Thomas Aquinas to ++Vigano
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2020, 09:10:00 AM »
I am OK with calling him a Pope out of acknowledgement of the reality that he materially occupies the See.  Vigano of course constantly referred to him simply as Bergoglio.  But to keep claiming that these men don't have the faith but then have legitimate authority in the Church, it's total desperation, an emotional reaction against sedevacantism ... but it's totally bankrupt.
Does the Archbishop call Pope Benedict XVI as "Ratzinger"? 
I heard, that it was common for Italians to refer to the Pope by their family name.

Re: Letter of +Thomas Aquinas to ++Vigano
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2020, 09:29:13 AM »
This is garbage.  +Lefebvre was open to sedevacantism and rather sympathetic to the thesis that these men might not be legitimate popes.  This is obviously a ploy to try to dissuade Vigano from going in that direction.  I suspect that the Bishop here got the same sedevacantist vibes from Vigano's letter that I did.

He continues to peddle that head of two Churches crap that R&R developed in an act of desperation.  Sure Berogoglio is the head of a counter-Church while at the same time being the head of the Catholic Church.  This is pure theological trash.

I'd love to see Vigano slap this down.
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Ideally, if Vigano responded, he would point out exactly what you have here: that the Archbishop was no committed enemy of sedevacantism

Re: Letter of +Thomas Aquinas to ++Vigano
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2020, 09:48:13 AM »
This is garbage.  +Lefebvre was open to sedevacantism and rather sympathetic to the thesis that these men might not be legitimate popes.  This is obviously a ploy to try to dissuade Vigano from going in that direction.  I suspect that the Bishop here got the same sedevacantist vibes from Vigano's letter that I did.

He continues to peddle that head of two Churches crap that R&R developed in an act of desperation.  Sure Berogoglio is the head of a counter-Church while at the same time being the head of the Catholic Church.  This is pure theological trash.

I'd love to see Vigano slap this down.

Completely false:

He banned them from admission to the SSPX and made them sign a docuмent pledging their prayer for the pope and rejection of sedevacantism.

That on two occasions he made statements which could be construed as allowing for the theoretical possibility of sedevacantism (statements made in time of grave scandal, but which never caused him to altar his 1981 Pledge, and which he never reaffirmed when relative tranquility returned) is a long way from saying he was “open to and sympathetic” to a position he officially shunned.

It should be obvious that Bishop Thomas understands they position of Lefebvre on this matter.

I think you are upset that Bishop Thomas restated Lefebvre’s position to Vigano, as it hurts your hopes the latter would go sede.  But there never really were any hopes Vigano was going in that direction anyway.  The fact that he refers to Francis as Bergoglio is a human failing stemming from personal indignation, nor the indication of sedevacantist leanings you were hoping for.