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« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2015, 11:46:10 AM »
Quote from: Henry101

I'll wait a few days until someone starts another thread and comments on how, perhaps, the altar veil isn't the correct color. That is how narrowminded some people have become on this forum.

Fr. Frank RICCOMINI is an excellent, holy priest that, despite the large size of his flock, makes great effort to speak to every adult and child often. His days start at 6AM and end around 11PM. He has many many duties every day and he is forming souls to be Saints, nothing more, nothing less. He is a great role model for the boys in the chapel and is the reason why so many of our young men are attracted to the priesthood: they see a man as courageous and steadfast in the faith as Fr. Riccomini.


1. That kind of nitpicking isn't seen on CathInfo, and anyone who has read more than a few of my posts would know that.

Anyone out there -- what do I think of dogmatic home aloners? Picky trads who create needless division over stupid things like a priest's accent, rubrics (when to stand and kneel), choice of altar Missal (1962 vs 1955), whether or not the current Pope is mentioned in the Canon, etc.?

In fact, the Matthew haters club usually likes to call me "Trad-cuмenical" since I deal with the various Trad groups like Pope Francis deals with the various false religions. But you see the difference? the various Trad groups are all CATHOLIC, so why wouldn't I keep my arms open to all of them? What Pope Francis is doing, with his false ecuмenism, is clearly wrong, since they are heretics and infidels. But unless you're drinking the Dimond Bros kool-aid, you can't really believe that about the various competing Traditional organizations and chapels. Am I Trad-cuмenical? You bet! I wear that charge as a badge of honor. It means I'm not sectarian or schismatic.

I am a Traditional Catholic, which involves a few core beliefs:
A) Catholics have a right to doubt-free priests and sacraments.
B) The Novus Ordo Mass is proven to be destructive of the Faith, and the New Rite of Ordination is doubtful
C) We can and should go outside the official authority structures of the Conciliar Church to pursue A), because "Salus Animarum Suprema Lex"

And a few behaviors, or a short checklist EVERY TRAD USES when evaluating a place for Mass:
A) Was the priest properly ordained by a valid bishop?
B) Was the priest properly trained in a seminary, and is he completely against Vatican II as an infiltration of malicious men (Modernists/Freemasons) into the Church?
C) Is he saying the Tridentine Mass, i.e., the Catholic Mass as it existed before Vatican II?
-- End of list --

You might add D) Does this chapel escape the charge of being a virtual cult (is there a schismatic or sectarian spirit towards other Trad chapels?)
But

As you can see, the list is quite simple. Pretty much every Mass worth attending would pass this short test.


2. This isn't about the personal holiness or dedication of individual priests, like Fr. Riccomini. It is beside the point. What if this were 1970, and we read an exchange between a few Catholics in 1970 discussing their priests. How would we Trad Catholics today respond, with the knowledge of history? We'd be saying, "Good luck man -- everything around that priest is going to decay; it won't matter if he's good, bad, or in-between." We know how it turned out.

Well, in this case the wise among us know where it's headed. It's moving a new direction with the force of a train. "Good priests" like Fr. Riccomini will either have to bail at some point, or get crushed underneath if they even TRY to slow it down. Or they'll just ride that train all the way to Modernist Rome. Those are the options.

Likewise, it's the SSPX that's the problem. The organization, as an organization, has lost it. They have fundamentally changed their attitude towards Vatican II, and the evidence is anywhere you care to look. There is literally too much to mention. And any things "traditional" they utter are only spoken to deceive the more serious Traditional Catholics who are still attending their chapels. There is a new orientation, a new code of behavior, and it all hangs together as a cohesive whole.

Our Lady of Sorrows, Phoenix AZ
« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2015, 07:40:49 PM »
what a bunch of bunk. there is no way that approximately 1/2 of all the people left this parish. You need to get real on this. Nor are they $5,000,000 the hole. Stop the misinformation, please!


Our Lady of Sorrows, Phoenix AZ
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2015, 10:52:05 PM »
Quote from: Lunatik
what a bunch of bunk. there is no way that approximately 1/2 of all the people left this parish. You need to get real on this. Nor are they $5,000,000 the hole. Stop the misinformation, please!


you are right they are 2.5 mil in the hole . Think it is worth it ? did you get what you paid for ? ...Not by a long shot

 speaking of people .where were they all today? Maybe 1/2 have not left but they sure are leavING  2nd mass was not even close to the numbers from the old church AND WE HAD 3 MASSES THEN


 

Our Lady of Sorrows, Phoenix AZ
« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2015, 11:39:24 PM »
remember this

                       

Our Lady of Sorrows, Phoenix AZ
« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2015, 08:45:24 PM »
Sorry about that last post (remember this). Tried to download a picture but it didn't take. You know maybe I am all wrong about the new church
I have tried myself to talk to Fr.R  but to no avail Even when you can get past his usher/bodyguards he just wont answer any questions directly