Author Topic: This is ALL YOU NEED when evaluating a chapel (Read 4353 times)

Centroamerica · « **Reply #10 on:** October 18, 2015, 07:53:35 PM »

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edit- And everytime someone makes a sort of comment of constructive criticism to matthew he starts a new thread where he does a rant so that all readers can't really connect the two threads and the comments end up far separated from each other in the long run on different threads so that in the future noone can connect the dots but I'll put it out there...this thread and this "rant" was started after suggesting that Matthew should speak with a priest about recommending Feenyite chapels. Let's put it into context shall we.

I disagree with your presumed motives, but it does make it rather difficult to follow a conversation.

For the record, a priest was asked, as you recommended.

I didn't state it as a motive but merely an effect (that a comment on one thread leads to a rant on another).

Matthew · « **Reply #11 on:** October 18, 2015, 07:54:28 PM »

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"I don't need a priest to sign my intellect over to."-Matthew

this thread and this "rant" was started after suggesting that Matthew should speak with a priest about recommending Feenyite chapels. Let's put it into context shall we.

I don't beat around the bush. If I believe something, I'll just come right out and say it. Don't accuse me of being deceptive.

I believe we should all have a spiritual director if possible, frequently consult with faithful Traditional priests on various topics and highly value their opinion over our own.

What I *meant* was I'm not looking for a cult leader -- a priest to serve up Kool-aid which I am to drink, with my brain shut off.

I should have been more clear on that. It's true that obedience (which is subjugating one's own will, opinions, and ideas to another) is an important virtue, and it's a good idea to take a position of humility and obedience with a priest of God -- assuming he's Traditional of course.

There are different kinds of obedience. Blind obedience, for example. I don't believe that kind is called for from rational creatures. Or else why did God give us an intellect, if we weren't to use it?

Maria Regina · « **Reply #12 on:** October 18, 2015, 09:48:29 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: Centroamerica

"I don't need a priest to sign my intellect over to."-Matthew

this thread and this "rant" was started after suggesting that Matthew should speak with a priest about recommending Feenyite chapels. Let's put it into context shall we.

I don't beat around the bush. If I believe something, I'll just come right out and say it. Don't accuse me of being deceptive.

I believe we should all have a spiritual director if possible, frequently consult with faithful Traditional priests on various topics and highly value their opinion over our own.

What I *meant* was I'm not looking for a cult leader -- a priest to serve up Kool-aid which I am to drink, with my brain shut off.

I should have been more clear on that. It's true that obedience (which is subjugating one's own will, opinions, and ideas to another) is an important virtue, and it's a good idea to take a position of humility and obedience with a priest of God -- assuming he's Traditional of course.

There are different kinds of obedience. Blind obedience, for example. I don't believe that kind is called for from rational creatures. Or else why did God give us an intellect, if we weren't to use it?

Judas was one of the twelve chosen by Christ. And we were warned that wolves would be among the chosen flock from the beginning starting with Judas.

Therefore, we must discern whether our priest or our bishop is of God.

However, first we must pray for them that they may repent and follow Christ.

ark of covenant · « **Reply #13 on:** October 18, 2015, 09:50:41 PM »

Before I want to write I want to make this abundantly clear I AM NOT A FEENEYITE. Fr. Leonard Feeney was not condemned a heretic for his theories on the different baptisms. He was condemned because he refused to go before a hearing summoned by Pius XII. Yes, I believe that his stance on baptism would have been condemned. We must be very careful about what we say.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #14 on:** October 19, 2015, 11:35:37 PM »

It's pretty clear that Matthew covered the "faith of the priest" in point 2b:

-- "Does the priest defend Tradition, and attack Modernism, Vatican II and the Conciliar religion sufficiently to teach/warn his congregation of their severe, grave dangers?"

If a priest is defending Tradition and attacking the errors of the day (i.e. Modernism and V2), you can bet his Faith is solid. I agree with the "checklist" 1000%. If all the traditionalists had agreed to this 40 yrs ago, we'd be quite a force! But alas, we have allowed petty arguments to keep us divided. We are just as much to blame for the Church's situation as the modernists in Rome!