Author Topic: Thirty Days in the Boston Seminary (Read 95137 times)

Croixalist · « **Reply #225 on:** November 05, 2015, 09:13:12 AM »

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Quote from: Ecclesiae
ManuelChavez believes everything Pablo says. No matter what he says. He is his Pope.
Dear Manuel Chavez if you do your prayers to get what you want or that a situation takes place, and it happen because God has listen to you. Who made it possible? Your prayers. And if a witch is making his job... moving mountains by bad forces... calling down to the Kentucky Resistance such a bishop.. who made it possible that this man comes? Who made it possible that this man had a privat conversation with Pablo in his headquarter? But no if it was witchcraft or not, Pablo is involved in this whole story. Believe what you want to believe. You are like a little child, without any blessing of Pablo you don't move and everything he says you believe. I pray for you and for your brother.

If you wish to proclaim ideas without merit or basis in truth, you are free to do so.

Well if Ambrose is allowed to do it...

Matthew · « **Reply #226 on:** November 05, 2015, 11:17:31 AM »

Quote from: ManuelChavez

I will ask the Fathers about the any potential roles for Bishops Faure and Williamson in regards to Bishop Ambrose.

I am also researching the seminary schedule and daily activities.

I think you and I both know that Fr. Pfeiffer will not have anything to do with these bishops -- and vice-versa.

As to your second point, this beggars belief. The seminary is not that big! It should take you 10 minutes during 1 meal to find out how many classes are being given, etc. You're there, man! It's a podunk seminary with a half-dozen seminarians. You can probably hear their classes from your kitchen.

It's like saying that I don't know the schedule in my own house, or what classes my children have at their homeschool. Easy enough to find out! Just take a break a couple times a day, walk through the living room, and see what they're doing! Or take the 30 seconds and ask the entire faculty (i.e., my wife) what classes they have each day.

You've been there HOW MANY DAYS now, and you haven't talked about SEMINARY stuff at all. Your blog reads like a Catholic "mommy blog" talking about food, with some "because I said so" gratuitous propaganda defending Ambrose's legitimacy thrown in here and there.

Not exactly very useful.

Matthew · « **Reply #227 on:** November 05, 2015, 11:21:00 AM »

If I programmed CathInfo with some kind of Artificial Intelligence that automatically filtered out certain logical fallacies, and I typed in the fallacy

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur
(What is gratuitously affirmed can be gratuitously denied.)

And clicked "Save", virtually ALL of ManuelChavez's posts would become blank!

Centroamerica · « **Reply #228 on:** November 05, 2015, 11:47:30 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: ManuelChavez

I will ask the Fathers about the any potential roles for Bishops Faure and Williamson in regards to Bishop Ambrose.

I am also researching the seminary schedule and daily activities.

I think you and I both know that Fr. Pfeiffer will not have anything to do with these bishops -- and vice-versa.

As to your second point, this beggars belief. The seminary is not that big! It should take you 10 minutes during 1 meal to find out how many classes are being given, etc. You're there, man! It's a podunk seminary with a half-dozen seminarians. You can probably hear their classes from your kitchen.

It's like saying that I don't know the schedule in my own house, or what classes my children have at their homeschool. Easy enough to find out! Just take a break a couple times a day, walk through the living room, and see what they're doing! Or take the 30 seconds and ask the entire faculty (i.e., my wife) what classes they have each day.

You've been there HOW MANY DAYS now, and you haven't talked about SEMINARY stuff at all. Your blog reads like a Catholic "mommy blog" talking about food, with some "because I said so" gratuitous propaganda defending Ambrose's legitimacy thrown in here and there.

Not exactly very useful.

Good comment. The insulting part is that he thinks or at least thought that people would buy it.

Matthew · « **Reply #229 on:** November 05, 2015, 11:49:33 AM »

I make no promises about the longevity of Manuel Chavez' "chaff" which he is spreading all over this forum.

He is trying to create a distraction, confuse us, etc. but I'm keeping things on track, assisted by many other helpful members here.

JPaul · « **Reply #230 on:** November 05, 2015, 01:00:10 PM »

Manuel,

Is lunch over? Did a good meal make the Fathers more talkative about the identity of the secret Bishops who are waiting to pop out?

And how did they finish their investigation into Ambrose before he was allowed to say Mass, when they said that they were still investigating long after he started to service their faithful.

These are questions which must be answered before any semblance of trust can be restored, if possible.

ManuelChavez · « **Reply #231 on:** November 05, 2015, 01:00:24 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

I make no promises about the longevity of Manuel Chavez' "chaff" which he is spreading all over this forum.

He is trying to create a distraction, confuse us, etc. but I'm keeping things on track, assisted by many other helpful members here.

I have not tried to create a distraction, nor have I tried to confuse anyone here. I have not insulted or demeaned anyone here.

I am here to serve others in any way I can, both in person and on the internet. This is why I would drive Father to and from your Mass site, and why I would remind Father to include the San Antonio area on his visits. We do what we can to bring the Word of God to others, with all due charity and patience.

I am after the truth in all things, for the Truth is Christ and of Christ, and anything that is not of the truth is not of Christ.

If I have ever said or written anything that violates the rules of this forum, I apologize for this. If I have said or written anything that is false, I am also sorry, for I detest lies and deception, and I will not participate in character assassination.

I am still here in Boston, Kentucky. I have taken many of the questions and concerns found here and talked to the about these issues. I have asked them to come forth with the information, and have asked them as to the slowness of their response to the current situation.

Once again, I do not mean to distract or confuse. God bless and please pray for me.

JPaul · « **Reply #232 on:** November 05, 2015, 01:04:57 PM »

Manuel,

Christ knows all truth and who the secret Bishops are, perhaps the Father's in charity will tell the rest of us so that we might have more hope for the future and you might remind the Fathers that secrets are not the Catholic way.

Matthew · « **Reply #233 on:** November 05, 2015, 01:08:18 PM »

Quote from: J.Paul

Manuel,

Christ know all truth and who the secret Bishops are, perhaps the Father's in charity will tell the rest of us so that we might have more hope for the future and remind the Fathers that secrets are not the Catholic way.

Yes, I remember Fr. Pfeiffer being very harsh on priests who were anything less than completely public about everything...

No double-standards or hypocrisy, please.

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #234 on:** November 05, 2015, 02:52:25 PM »

Matthew's on a roll today. Very good posts.

We aren't quite as gullible as some people evidently think we are, Manuel.

Many (myself, at least) have been doing gymnastics over the past few years to give the benefit of the doubt (and even at times to make charitable excuses) for Boston's idiosyncrasies- but Ambrose will be the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back.
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1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #235 on:** November 05, 2015, 03:16:55 PM »

Is OLMC hosting it's own hoe-down version Assisi IV? Any one who shows up can say Mass with a wink and a nod? Just BYOM.

*Bring Your Own Mitre.

:rolleyes:

JPaul · « **Reply #236 on:** November 05, 2015, 07:16:27 PM »

Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant

Is OLMC hosting it's own hoe-down version Assisi IV? Any one who shows up can say Mass with a wink and a nod? Just BYOM.

*Bring Your Own Mitre.

:rolleyes:

Something new...................the Karaoke Mass................

OldMerry · « **Reply #237 on:** November 05, 2015, 07:29:39 PM »

This is degenerating into just another "bishop's line" - someone else's "bishop's line" - like Thuc, etc. And with all the questions, hesitations and angst those situation's bring.

OLMC could have stayed strong and unquestioned, if it had the wisdom to remain Williamson/Faure - and "if and when it had to," pick only necessary fights.

Chiara · « **Reply #238 on:** November 05, 2015, 11:49:50 PM »

Ambrose reached out to Father Pfeiffer. Pablo did not find him, and neither did Father. The research on Ambrose's background was done before Ambrose was allowed to say Mass in September. They contacted the Eparchy in Toronto, and many other places, found eye witnesses, and more, and their information showed that the claims of Ambrose are accurate in three main points:

That Ambrose is Catholic, not Orthodox.
That he was was ordained.
That he was consecrated at least once. By eight bishops, who did this after the contentious consecration by Cardinal Slipjy, who also consecrated others during that time.

Those points are what we discussed today, after lunch. [/quote]

Manuel, the above statement is confusing, at least to me. If Ambrose is Catholic, not Orthodox, then why the mountain of evidence, even from ecclesiamilitans.org that indicates that he was/is such? Also, what is the meaning of "he was consecrated at least once. By eight bishops, who did this after the contentious consecration by Cardinal Slipjy, who also consecrated others during that time." A valid consecration only requires that it be done once. Why by eight bishops? Does this mean Ambrose was repeatedly "consecrated" by various "bishops?"

I would be grateful for any clarification/explanation on this. Thank you in advance and God bless.

Manuel, could you please reply?

Chiara · « **Reply #239 on:** November 05, 2015, 11:52:29 PM »

Manuel, another question. Doubtless, you've seen the thread stating that Fr. Hewko said OLMC will not be associated with Ambrose. Can you confirm, deny or elaborate on this? Is this Fr. Hewko's opinion/position or that of both priests?