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« Reply #135 on: November 01, 2015, 09:31:07 AM »
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  • Now, now, let's not nitpick.

    I know I can't speak for everyone, but speaking for myself and (I hope) most members here, I'm not out to muck rake, nitpick, or act like I have an all-too-human grudge against Fr. Pfeiffer or his seminary.

    I am only publicly critical of grave matters at that seminary: endorsement of a con artist as priest/bishop, inadequate training, inadequate isolation/silence, inadequate spiritual direction and supervision, heavy involvement by (even direction from) a known apostate, etc.

    The scariest thing about the Boston seminary is the famous quote, "Nemo dat quod non habet." No one gives what he doesn't have. Let's just say that a priest's life must be Order, discipline, with a heavy emphasis on the Interior Life (prayer) and Catholic doctrine.

    If the Boston seminary was relying on the Internet for the Papal Encyclicals, we wouldn't even have a thread about them on CI (at least not a critical one).

    There's no crime in being poor. There is nothing wrong with humble beginnings. You gotta start somewhere. But for something as critical as a seminary, there are certain minimums which MUST be met. And unfortunately for Fr. Pfeiffer, those minimums are somewhat higher than the minimums for saying Mass somewhere.

    Calling the Boston operation a "seminary" is actually quite an insult to real seminaries all over the world.

    Likewise, let's not mix up the necessary (Mass) with the extra niceties (All Saints Day costume party). Or the necessary (proper environment/supervision/program of studies) with extra niceties (brand new softcover editions of Papal encyclicals)

    We're having an All Saints Day party today at our independent chapel, but just for reference St. Joseph's in San Antonio (SSPX) is not! St. Joseph's, with 1.5 million in the bank, 200-250 parishioners, 2 Masses every Sunday, established in 1975, with a dedicated building (church, mini school and rectory) and served by the mighty SSPX. As far as I know, they're just having Low Mass today. That's it. No Benediction, no High Mass, no party. Unless something has changed since I was there; if anyone knows this to be erroneous, please correct me.
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    « Reply #136 on: November 01, 2015, 09:34:37 AM »
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  • We have now morphed beyond the mysteries of the dinner table and have gone to an online tutorial on librarianism.

    Let us return to the question, does the seminary so called have a permanent staff
    and is there a supervising cleric present at all times?

    Who is it?  And will the seminarians have access to daily Mass?


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    « Reply #137 on: November 01, 2015, 09:42:28 AM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    Now, now, let's not nitpick.

    If the Boston seminary was relying on the Internet for the Papal Encyclicals, we wouldn't even have a thread about them on CI (at least not a critical one).

    There's no crime in being poor.

    Likewise, let's not mix up the necessary (Mass) with the extra niceties (All Saints Day costume party). Or the necessary (proper environment/supervision/program of studies) with extra niceties (brand new softcover editions of Papal encyclicals)

    We're having an All Saints Day party today at our independent chapel, but just for reference St. Joseph's in San Antonio (SSPX) is not! St. Joseph's, with 1.5 million in the bank, 200-250 parishioners, 2 Masses every Sunday, established in 1975, with a dedicated building (church, mini school and rectory) and served by the mighty SSPX. As far as I know, they're just having Low Mass today. That's it. No Benediction, no High Mass, no party. Unless something has changed since I was there; if anyone knows this to be erroneous, please correct me.


    Matthew, before there was a seminary OLMC was a thriving family parish with tons of children.  The families are disappearing.  Even some of the Pfeiffers don't go to Mass there anymore.  That's not nitpicking if something was a certain way for decades and with no notice a bunch of strangers from AZ/MO/TX show up and take it away.  Do you remember a few years ago Hernandez bragged on this very forum he was going to transform Pfeifferville into Pabloville by getting rid of the hillbillies.  The ethnic makeup has somewhat shifted this past year and it's definitely less hillbilly.

    Would Fr Hannafin approve of what is happening there today?  What about Fr Urban Snyder?  


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    « Reply #138 on: November 01, 2015, 11:52:23 AM »
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    Quote from: Matthew
    Now, now, let's not nitpick.

    If the Boston seminary was relying on the Internet for the Papal Encyclicals, we wouldn't even have a thread about them on CI (at least not a critical one).

    There's no crime in being poor.

    Likewise, let's not mix up the necessary (Mass) with the extra niceties (All Saints Day costume party). Or the necessary (proper environment/supervision/program of studies) with extra niceties (brand new softcover editions of Papal encyclicals)

    We're having an All Saints Day party today at our independent chapel, but just for reference St. Joseph's in San Antonio (SSPX) is not! St. Joseph's, with 1.5 million in the bank, 200-250 parishioners, 2 Masses every Sunday, established in 1975, with a dedicated building (church, mini school and rectory) and served by the mighty SSPX. As far as I know, they're just having Low Mass today. That's it. No Benediction, no High Mass, no party. Unless something has changed since I was there; if anyone knows this to be erroneous, please correct me.


    Matthew, before there was a seminary OLMC was a thriving family parish with tons of children.  The families are disappearing.  Even some of the Pfeiffers don't go to Mass there anymore.  That's not nitpicking if something was a certain way for decades and with no notice a bunch of strangers from AZ/MO/TX show up and take it away.  Do you remember a few years ago Hernandez bragged on this very forum he was going to transform Pfeifferville into Pabloville by getting rid of the hillbillies.  The ethnic makeup has somewhat shifted this past year and it's definitely less hillbilly.

    Would Fr Hannafin approve of what is happening there today?  What about Fr Urban Snyder?  





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    « Reply #139 on: November 01, 2015, 12:23:50 PM »
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    Matthew, before there was a seminary OLMC was a thriving family parish with tons of children.  The families are disappearing.  Even some of the Pfeiffers don't go to Mass there anymore.  That's not nitpicking if something was a certain way for decades and with no notice a bunch of strangers from AZ/MO/TX show up and take it away.  Do you remember a few years ago Hernandez bragged on this very forum he was going to transform Pfeifferville into Pabloville by getting rid of the hillbillies.  The ethnic makeup has somewhat shifted this past year and it's definitely less hillbilly.

    Would Fr Hannafin approve of what is happening there today?  What about Fr Urban Snyder?  



    I don't feel too bad about slightly derailing this thread...

    Who was pastor at OLMC before Fr. Pfeiffer came there in 2012?


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    « Reply #140 on: November 01, 2015, 12:39:02 PM »
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    Matthew, before there was a seminary OLMC was a thriving family parish with tons of children.  The families are disappearing.  Even some of the Pfeiffers don't go to Mass there anymore.  That's not nitpicking if something was a certain way for decades and with no notice a bunch of strangers from AZ/MO/TX show up and take it away.  Do you remember a few years ago Hernandez bragged on this very forum he was going to transform Pfeifferville into Pabloville by getting rid of the hillbillies.  The ethnic makeup has somewhat shifted this past year and it's definitely less hillbilly.

    Would Fr Hannafin approve of what is happening there today?  What about Fr Urban Snyder?  



    What do you mean by strangers? What did they take away? How did they take it away?

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    « Reply #141 on: November 01, 2015, 01:46:41 PM »
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  • We have now morphed beyond the mysteries of the dinner table and have gone to an online tutorial on librarianism.
    And now onto inquiries into the geneology of OLMC, but I will repeat to Manuel,


    Let us return to the question, does the seminary so called have a permanent staff
    and is there a supervising cleric present at all times?

    Who is it? And will the seminarians have access to daily Mass?

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    « Reply #142 on: November 01, 2015, 02:25:36 PM »
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  • *crickets chirping*

    Crickets that have practically been trademarked by Fr. Pfeiffer & co.
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    « Reply #143 on: November 01, 2015, 02:26:27 PM »
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    We have now morphed beyond the mysteries of the dinner table and have gone to an online tutorial on librarianism.
    And now onto inquiries into the geneology of OLMC, but I will repeat to Manuel,


    Let us return to the question, does the seminary so called have a permanent staff
    and is there a supervising cleric present at all times?

    Who is it? And will the seminarians have access to daily Mass?


    The seminarians have access to daily Mass.

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    « Reply #144 on: November 01, 2015, 03:23:08 PM »
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  • [quoteThe seminarians have access to daily Mass.


    Thats not true! But it is certainly true while you're there.
    Anyway you're just a visitor and a cook and you can´t say how it is in the seminary! Only a real seminarian can tell us and they revealed us as it is:
    they fled!!! So dear Lord MANUEL CHAVEZ if that is not a testimony? The witness of the seminarians has more power and TRUTH, as the testimony of a cook. I am sorry!
    You're just a bystander and you don´t look behind the curtain. Your study and investigation of the seminar is allso null and void.  :detective:
    God bless

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    « Reply #145 on: November 01, 2015, 03:26:41 PM »
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    [quoteThe seminarians have access to daily Mass.


    Thats not true! But it is certainly true while you're there.
    Anyway you're just a visitor and a cook and you can´t say how it is in the seminary! Only a real seminarian can tell us and they revealed us as it is:
    they fled!!! So dear Lord MANUEL CHAVEZ if that is not a testimony? The witness of the seminarians has more power and TRUTH, as the testimony of a cook. I am sorry!
    You're just a bystander and you don´t look behind the curtain. Your study and investigation of the seminar is allso null and void.  :detective:
    God bless


    This is an entirely different year. What the former seminarians experienced last year has no bearing on this year. Their testimonials are outdated.


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    « Reply #146 on: November 01, 2015, 03:36:20 PM »
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  • So when you leave Kentucky, you will be outdate but the truth remains.
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    « Reply #147 on: November 01, 2015, 03:42:53 PM »
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  • If they have every day Mass, who's the priest saying mass??? It is not possible that they have everyday mass, except Mr. / Bishop Ambrose is there !!!
    The question remains, of course, if it is true sacrifice of the mass. If so, whether it is schismatic. Anyway, the Church forbids to attend a doubtful mass !

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    « Reply #148 on: November 01, 2015, 03:46:29 PM »
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    So when you leave Kentucky, you will be outdate but the truth remains.
     :scratchchin:


    The truth is what is happening now, not last year. The seminarians did miss some masses last year. I am well aware of that. They have not missed any Masses this year, however.

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    « Reply #149 on: November 01, 2015, 03:52:48 PM »
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    If they have every day Mass, who's the priest saying mass??? It is not possible that they have everyday mass, except Mr. / Bishop Ambrose is there !!!
    The question remains, of course, if it is true sacrifice of the mass. If so, whether it is schismatic. Anyway, the Church forbids to attend a doubtful mass !


    Father Pfeiffer and Father Hewko have made a better schedule this year, which allows one of them to say Mass at the seminary.