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Offline Centroamerica

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« Reply #105 on: October 31, 2015, 02:09:07 PM »
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    • Ever heard of Pavlov's dogs?
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    « Reply #106 on: October 31, 2015, 02:10:42 PM »
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    letter of indoctrination


    Freudian slip?


    No. I  writing on my phone, at night, and the phone often autocorrects when it comes across a word it doesn't know. It is the letter of incardination, not indoctrination.


    MC, maybe it was God prompting you to see things for what they are, reality. The only proof you have of his ordination is a docuмent uncovered by Clemens Maria sent to him from Toronto that says that an Orthodox "Bishop" named Nicholas Ilnyckyj ordained him. He was not and never was incardinated in any Catholic diocese or Eparchy. HE IS A CON-MAN!! Are you that naive? If he is a valid priest, which I admit is possible, you still can NOT receive any sacrament from him because it is DOUBTFUL! Do you get it? Even if you can prove without a shadow or doubt, that he is a valid priest, you should still stay away because he was never regularized by the Church, he is a forger, he scandalized many Catholics, and he is a liar. BTW: It is probably now next to impossible to prove the validity of his orders.


    The docuмents I have seen regarding his ordination and incardination were from the archives of the Toronto Eparchy, not from anyone else. If these docuмents are forgeries, then the Eparchy has forged docuмents in their archives. If their archives are so dubious as to have forged docuмents, then anything from that archive should be called into question.
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    « Reply #107 on: October 31, 2015, 02:22:20 PM »
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    The docuмents I have seen regarding his ordination and incardination were from the archives of the Toronto Eparchy,  


    I'll repeat this again... The Toronto Eparchy did NOT at any point incardinate Ambrose. Please stop referring to their letter as such.

    Quote from: Rt. Rev. Bohdan Bilinsky of the Ukrainian Catholic Eparchy of Toronto
    The letter with protocol # 2/75  (on the website) was a letter of accepting Fr. Ambrose as a priest to sevre in the Eparchy. It is NOT a letter of incardination. Canon law has specific procedures for official transference of incardination.

    Fr. Ambrose is NOT and has NEVER BEEN incardinated to this Eparchy.
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    « Reply #108 on: October 31, 2015, 02:24:46 PM »
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    The docuмents I have seen regarding his ordination and incardination were from the archives of the Toronto Eparchy,  


    I'll repeat this again... The Toronto Eparchy did NOT at any point incardinate Ambrose. Please stop referring to their letter as such.

    Quote from: Rt. Rev. Bohdan Bilinsky of the Ukrainian Catholic Eparchy of Toronto
    The letter with protocol # 2/75  (on the website) was a letter of accepting Fr. Ambrose as a priest to sevre in the Eparchy. It is NOT a letter of incardination. Canon law has specific procedures for official transference of incardination.

    Fr. Ambrose is NOT and has NEVER BEEN incardinated to this Eparchy.


    Then why did the Eparchy have it on file? That is what I would like to know.
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    « Reply #109 on: October 31, 2015, 02:25:38 PM »
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    • Is it just me, or is Martin ("Manuel") the perfect disciple of Fr. Pfeiffer, having learned "from the best" how to ignore whatever facts or criticism that hurts your cause?

    Fr. Pfeiffer does this all the time.

    Martin is able to refrain from outright LYING (from what I've seen so far) but he certainly uses redirection, distraction, ignoring important facts, etc.

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    « Reply #110 on: October 31, 2015, 02:28:04 PM »
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    The docuмents I have seen regarding his ordination and incardination were from the archives of the Toronto Eparchy,  


    I'll repeat this again... The Toronto Eparchy did NOT at any point incardinate Ambrose. Please stop referring to their letter as such.

    Quote from: Rt. Rev. Bohdan Bilinsky of the Ukrainian Catholic Eparchy of Toronto
    The letter with protocol # 2/75  (on the website) was a letter of accepting Fr. Ambrose as a priest to sevre in the Eparchy. It is NOT a letter of incardination. Canon law has specific procedures for official transference of incardination.

    Fr. Ambrose is NOT and has NEVER BEEN incardinated to this Eparchy.


    Then why did the Eparchy have it on file? That is what I would like to know.


    Who knows? Ask them. Apparently they archive any useful docuмent; they didn't know if he'd come back later to actually be incardinated. At that point, they would have looked more closely into his ordination, etc. But all they did was say, "Great. Nice to meet you. Keep up the good work." like a form letter. It wasn't the result of any investigation.

    It's like getting an initial response from a job application. They write to you acknowledging you are a human being, that they are considering you -- but you haven't been hired yet, they haven't done a background check on you yet, and they haven't drug tested you yet.

    All we keep reaching is one dead end after another here.

    Proof of Ambrose's legitimacy seems to be quite elusive. Maybe because it doesn't exist?

    Occam's Razor. The simpler explanation tends to be the true one.

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    « Reply #111 on: October 31, 2015, 02:28:42 PM »
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    • Yeah, I'll say.  He ignores every question I've ever asked.
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    « Reply #112 on: October 31, 2015, 02:32:28 PM »
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    The docuмents I have seen regarding his ordination and incardination were from the archives of the Toronto Eparchy,  


    I'll repeat this again... The Toronto Eparchy did NOT at any point incardinate Ambrose. Please stop referring to their letter as such.

    Quote from: Rt. Rev. Bohdan Bilinsky of the Ukrainian Catholic Eparchy of Toronto
    The letter with protocol # 2/75  (on the website) was a letter of accepting Fr. Ambrose as a priest to sevre in the Eparchy. It is NOT a letter of incardination. Canon law has specific procedures for official transference of incardination.

    Fr. Ambrose is NOT and has NEVER BEEN incardinated to this Eparchy.


    Then why did the Eparchy have it on file? That is what I would like to know.


    Here's what the letter says:

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    After this [period of two years], a review of your record will be made, and the possibility of incardination will be discussed.


    Does this resolve your confusion?
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    « Reply #113 on: October 31, 2015, 02:51:04 PM »
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    Is it just me, or is Martin ("Manuel") the perfect disciple of Fr. Pfeiffer, having learned "from the best" how to ignore whatever facts or criticism that hurts your cause?

    Fr. Pfeiffer does this all the time.

    Martin is able to refrain from outright LYING (from what I've seen so far) but he certainly uses redirection, distraction, ignoring important facts, etc.



    Don't feel bad Matthew, I get this all the time from dogmatic anti-Sedevacants.
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    « Reply #114 on: October 31, 2015, 02:55:19 PM »
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    Is it just me, or is Martin ("Manuel") the perfect disciple of Fr. Pfeiffer, having learned "from the best" how to ignore whatever facts or criticism that hurts your cause?

    Fr. Pfeiffer does this all the time.

    Martin is able to refrain from outright LYING (from what I've seen so far) but he certainly uses redirection, distraction, ignoring important facts, etc.



    The only cause I care for is the salvation of souls, mine included. The seminary could close tomorrow, and if God wills it, I would be perfectly fine with that. If Ambrose is a fraud, and the docuмents from the Eparchy archives turn out to be fraudulent, then I will accept that, too.
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    « Reply #115 on: October 31, 2015, 03:03:37 PM »
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    The docuмents I have seen regarding his ordination and incardination were from the archives of the Toronto Eparchy,  


    I'll repeat this again... The Toronto Eparchy did NOT at any point incardinate Ambrose. Please stop referring to their letter as such.

    Quote from: Rt. Rev. Bohdan Bilinsky of the Ukrainian Catholic Eparchy of Toronto
    The letter with protocol # 2/75  (on the website) was a letter of accepting Fr. Ambrose as a priest to sevre in the Eparchy. It is NOT a letter of incardination. Canon law has specific procedures for official transference of incardination.

    Fr. Ambrose is NOT and has NEVER BEEN incardinated to this Eparchy.


    Then why did the Eparchy have it on file? That is what I would like to know.


    Who knows? Ask them. Apparently they archive any useful docuмent; they didn't know if he'd come back later to actually be incardinated. At that point, they would have looked more closely into his ordination, etc. But all they did was say, "Great. Nice to meet you. Keep up the good work." like a form letter. It wasn't the result of any investigation.

    It's like getting an initial response from a job application. They write to you acknowledging you are a human being, that they are considering you -- but you haven't been hired yet, they haven't done a background check on you yet, and they haven't drug tested you yet.

    All we keep reaching is one dead end after another here.

    Proof of Ambrose's legitimacy seems to be quite elusive. Maybe because it doesn't exist?

    Occam's Razor. The simpler explanation tends to be the true one.



    I will call them on Monday.
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    « Reply #116 on: October 31, 2015, 06:13:41 PM »
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    Proof of Ambrose's legitimacy seems to be quite elusive. Maybe because it doesn't exist?


    Perhaps the truth of the matter is eluding those who do not wish to find it...........
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    « Reply #117 on: October 31, 2015, 06:19:19 PM »
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    • Forget about Eparchies, is there going to be a priest there for Mass on Sunday and to supervise the seminarians over the weekend?

    Who will it be.  

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    « Reply #118 on: October 31, 2015, 06:38:48 PM »
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    Forget about Eparchies, is there going to be a priest there for Mass on Sunday and to supervise the seminarians over the weekend?

    Who will it be.  



    Father Hewko is saying Mass tomorrow evening.
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    « Reply #119 on: October 31, 2015, 07:35:36 PM »
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    Proof of Ambrose's legitimacy seems to be quite elusive. Maybe because it doesn't exist?

    Perhaps the truth of the matter is eluding those who do not wish to find it...........


    Apparently his defenders are holding Ambrose to a new standard:

    We will presume that he is a priest until you can provide proof that he is NOT.

    In other words, daring us to prove a negative, which is logically impossible.

    Furthermore, it's as if saying that his 'eucharist' and 'absolutions' are valid unless you can prove otherwise.

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