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Offline ManuelChavez

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« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2015, 11:06:06 AM »
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    Anyways, "film music" is the contestable name for a music genre.  And it really seems like such a mundane interest.

    A. Do you have any interest or hobbies?

    B. Yes, I am obsessed with film music.

    A. Uh, ok, what about hobbies like reading classic literature, collecting baseball cards, stamps, studying foreign languages?

    B. Sometimes I listen to the Free Willy soundtrack when I have spare time.



    Basil Poledouris (1945-2006) wrote the score to Free Willy. It is a fusion of orchestral and electronic, and is a pleasant listening experience. I do not care for Michael Jackson's song, however, which seems to be what more people remember.  

    I also listen to jazz and classical music. I am a writer, and I love history.

    If you have any other questions, please ask me, rather than setting up a straw man.



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    « Reply #16 on: October 22, 2015, 12:11:55 PM »
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    And if Pablo dug a pit on the seminary grounds, etc. (use your imagination), do you REALLY THINK Manuel Chavez would post it on his blog?

    No, the only way to make this interesting would be to have a live webcam that can be watched at any time. One in the main classroom, one in the refectory, etc. wherever the action is likely to happen. Or "Manuel" wears a sombrero containing a wireless camera/microphone which is always turned on -- he only takes it off when decency is an issue.

    And he would have to NOT POST ABOUT IT ON THE INTERNET before he goes there. What does he think this is, "30 days among the chimpanzees" or "Gorillas in the Mist"? These "chimpanzees" have Internet access and are quite capable of reading. But even if the seminarians don't have Internet access at all during the whole year, that doesn't include the dominant gorilla (Pablo). And it's his activity (as well as Ambrose Moran) that made the news of late.

    CathInfo has no issues with the seminarians there.

    Anyhow, it kind of spoils the "observation" when the "animals" are rational animals and they know they are being observed.


    I will write what I experience. I will photograph what I see. I am posting about it now so people may know my intentions for this blog, and may have an opportunity to ask questions or post comments and suggestions.


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    « Reply #17 on: October 22, 2015, 01:22:27 PM »
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  • Why not install video cameras and sell it as a "reality show"?  Good grief.

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    « Reply #18 on: October 22, 2015, 02:00:43 PM »
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    Anyways, "film music" is the contestable name for a music genre.  And it really seems like such a mundane interest.

    A. Do you have any interest or hobbies?

    B. Yes, I am obsessed with film music.

    A. Uh, ok, what about hobbies like reading classic literature, collecting baseball cards, stamps, studying foreign languages?

    B. Sometimes I listen to the Free Willy soundtrack when I have spare time.



    Basil Poledouris (1945-2006) wrote the score to Free Willy. It is a fusion of orchestral and electronic, and is a pleasant listening experience. I do not care for Michael Jackson's song, however, which seems to be what more people remember.  

    I also listen to jazz and classical music. I am a writer, and I love history.

    If you have any other questions, please ask me, rather than setting up a straw man.



    Jazz is satanic by the way.
    The rhythm is anti-harmonic and jazz is the father of rock/black metal/heavy metal/ every sub-genre of pop/rock music comes from jazz.

    "The Beatles first began performing in the late 1950s in jazz clubs in England and West Germany. These clubs, always located in the seediest part of the cities, served as a marketplace for prostitution and the circulation of drugs. Beatle biographer Philip Norman writes: "Their only regular engagement was a strip club. The club owner paid them ten shillings each to strum their guitars while a stripper named Janice grimly shed her clothes before an audience of sailors, guilty businessmen and habitues with raincoat-covered laps." (Philip Norman, Shout! The Beatles in Their Generation, p. 81)

    Miles Davis and almost every jazz musician in the US were heroin addicts

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    « Reply #19 on: October 22, 2015, 03:36:30 PM »
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    My intention is to bring a first-hand representation of the seminary to the public forum,


    You mean another first-hand representation.
    "I think that Catholicism, that's as sane as people can get."  - Jordan Peterson


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    « Reply #20 on: October 22, 2015, 05:12:49 PM »
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  • Yes, that is a very important point.

    Manuel, I won't let it pass if you try to claim that no one here has yet given first-hand evidence of problems in Boston, KY.

    They are just as honest as you; maybe more so. That is to say, they might be a bit more objective and realistic.

    Again, we have a repeat of the SSPX/Resistance argument. The SSPX said that everything negative said about them was a filthy lie, slander, rumor, or gossip.

    On the contrary, I knew better. I observed how many pillars of SSPX chapels, long-time supporters, generous benefactors, ex-seminarians, faithful priests, and highly involved volunteers were finding and admitting problems at their local SSPX chapels and in the modern-day SSPX.

    Likewise, the reports about Pablo (etc.) come from those who are THE MOST MOTIVATED to consider Fr. Pfeiffer a good guy, and to think Boston, KY is a great Trad Catholic location. We're talking about people who got involved there, went on retreats there, etc.

    I myself am an example of this. I have been highly supportive of the Resistance from the earliest days, which obviously means Fr. Pfeiffer once you go into the 2012 range. There simply weren't any other resistant groups back then.
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    « Reply #21 on: October 22, 2015, 07:51:33 PM »
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  • Is anyone really interested in an OLMC infomercial?  Let the testimony of first hand witnesses be heard.  Manual you don't live there so you've got nothing to say.  30 days is nothing.  How many of us will still be around when you're gone?

    I do hope that those who have secretly recorded at OLMC get the courage to post that stuff online.  Especially the scenes from late nights at priory with El Jefe and his ________.

     


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    « Reply #22 on: October 22, 2015, 08:53:58 PM »
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  • From MaterDominici: You mean another first-hand representation. 

    My response: Correct.

    From Matthew: Manuel, I won't let it pass if you try to claim that no one here has yet given first-hand evidence of problems in Boston, KY.

    My response: You may put that concern to rest. I never claimed that I am the only one who has given a first-hand account.

    From Matthew: They are just as honest as you; maybe more so. That is to say, they might be a bit more objective and realistic.

    My response: That could be the case, in regards to objectivity.

    As for being realistic, I cannot comment, except that Realistic is a great RadioShack brand, and is returning to store shelves after a twenty year absence. I look forward to seeing that brand name again soon (but that is entirely off-topic, even if it was a pleasant diversion).

    Honesty is the search for and the defense of Truth. I seek the truth, with all due charity. This is why I will not demean anyone here, nor have I gone after anyone here, not for their interest in music, or their avatars, or any other petty reason.

    However, there are discrepancies within some of these first-hand accounts, Whether these discrepancies are deliberate or not, I cannot determine.

    From Matthew: Again, we have a repeat of the SSPX/Resistance argument. The SSPX said that everything negative said about them was a filthy lie, slander, rumor, or gossip.

    My response: I never claimed that everything negative said about the seminary is a lie. Some of the stories are true, others are partly true, some are entirely untrue. I have maintained this from the beginning of my time on CathInfo.

    From TheRealMcCoy: Is anyone really interested in an OLMC infomercial? Let the testimony of first hand witnesses be heard. Manual you don't live there so you've got nothing to say. 30 days is nothing. How many of us will still be around when you're gone? I do hope that those who have secretly recorded at OLMC get the courage to post that stuff online. Especially the scenes from late nights at priory with El Jefe and his ________.

    My response: I have lived there. I have worked there. 30 days is far from nothing. It is a substantial investment in time and resources, as I have done numerous times since July 2013.

    Your lack of charity in your language is deplorable. You should show more respect for others, even Pablo. The fill-in-the-blank comment is unnecessary. It's a cheap shot.


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    « Reply #23 on: October 22, 2015, 09:11:44 PM »
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    My response: I have lived there. I have worked there. 30 days is far from nothing. It is a substantial investment in time and resources, as I have done numerous times since July 2013.


    Put your money where your mouth is, boy.  Move down here.  Permanently.


    That is not outside the realm of possibility.

    "Boy" is an interesting term, one that can be seen as derogatory, especially given the confrontational stance of the message.  

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    « Reply #24 on: October 22, 2015, 09:15:07 PM »
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    My response: I have lived there. I have worked there. 30 days is far from nothing. It is a substantial investment in time and resources, as I have done numerous times since July 2013.


    Put your money where your mouth is, boy.  Move down here.  Permanently.


    That is not outside the realm of possibility.


    You should.  There's enough bounty to go around thanks to a muy mucho generous family.   :wink:

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    « Reply #25 on: October 22, 2015, 11:10:15 PM »
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    Anyways, "film music" is the contestable name for a music genre.  And it really seems like such a mundane interest.

    A. Do you have any interest or hobbies?

    B. Yes, I am obsessed with film music.

    A. Uh, ok, what about hobbies like reading classic literature, collecting baseball cards, stamps, studying foreign languages?

    B. Sometimes I listen to the Free Willy soundtrack when I have spare time.



    Basil Poledouris (1945-2006) wrote the score to Free Willy. It is a fusion of orchestral and electronic, and is a pleasant listening experience. I do not care for Michael Jackson's song, however, which seems to be what more people remember.  

    I also listen to jazz and classical music. I am a writer, and I love history.

    If you have any other questions, please ask me, rather than setting up a straw man.



    Jazz is satanic by the way.
    The rhythm is anti-harmonic and jazz is the father of rock/black metal/heavy metal/ every sub-genre of pop/rock music comes from jazz.

    "The Beatles first began performing in the late 1950s in jazz clubs in England and West Germany. These clubs, always located in the seediest part of the cities, served as a marketplace for prostitution and the circulation of drugs. Beatle biographer Philip Norman writes: "Their only regular engagement was a strip club. The club owner paid them ten shillings each to strum their guitars while a stripper named Janice grimly shed her clothes before an audience of sailors, guilty businessmen and habitues with raincoat-covered laps." (Philip Norman, Shout! The Beatles in Their Generation, p. 81)

    Miles Davis and almost every jazz musician in the US were heroin addicts


    Music is comprised of three basic elements; melody, harmony and rhythm. Jazz uses all three, as do most forms of music. Jazz is a broad category of music, and its history is just as varied as the musicians that have played it.

    Jazz is not Satanic, nor is it anti-harmonic. The failures of some of the performers/ composers do not negate the musical value of the various types of Jazz.


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    « Reply #26 on: October 23, 2015, 07:39:22 AM »
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    ManuelChavez - I am wondering about the picture of Mr. Rogers.  Did you know he was a Protestant minister?


    Yes, I do. Fred Rogers was a pioneer in children's television programming. He was gentle and soft-spoken, and never raised his voice in anger or impatience. He wrote and played music, and encouraged others through good example.



    "Fred Rogers was a pioneer in children's television programming."

    Yes--yes he was.  I am sure the Jєωs are very proud of him.


    "He was gentle and soft-spoken, and never raised his voice in anger or impatience. He wrote and played music, and encouraged others through good example."

    What the world has labeled as "anger or impatience" is sometimes called for.  Also, his "good example" was calculated to effeminize and fαɢɢօtize male children.


    In this and other posts (fondness for non-Catholic music, "boy" is derogatory, your general method of discourse) you sure have demonstrated that you are plugged in to the Jєωs' social engineering system.

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    « Reply #27 on: October 23, 2015, 08:34:49 AM »
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  • A few measures by which to judge if this is in fact a Catholic seminary,

    1) Does it have a full time clerical staff to teach, guide, and watch over the seminarians?  I do not mean layman or part time clerics, but full time, a senior brother or a priest at all times.

    2) Is daily and Sunday Mass always available to the seminarians?

    3) Is  there an established and eccessiastically approved curriculum which is properly structured?

    4) Are the facilities adequate to provide a safe and wholesome study and living environment for the seminarians?

    5) Are the seminarians segregated from daily bustle of the compound and surrounding neighbors so that they might be apart from the "world", and are there accommodations for complete silence and contemplation for interior communion with God?

    6 ) Has the seminary been inspected and approved by a resistance Bishop and his recommendations and corrections followed?



    Comment,  If these basics have not or cannot be met, the seminary should not attempt to operate until they are.  
    If it is already operating without these basics, operation should be suspended until they are present.

    Operating a seminary is not an add on function of a priory.  It is a separate and critical function for forming GOOD priests not rolling out cassocks stamped resistance. The warm body theory does not hold in matters of the priesthood.

    Operating a seminary is a primary function, not a secondary one. That should always be kept in mind.

    On a personal note, I would say that it is time to stop pretending, and high time to get serious.

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    « Reply #28 on: October 23, 2015, 09:47:19 AM »
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    "Fred Rogers was a pioneer in children's television programming."

    Yes--yes he was.  I am sure the Jєωs are very proud of him.


    "He was gentle and soft-spoken, and never raised his voice in anger or impatience. He wrote and played music, and encouraged others through good example."

    What the world has labeled as "anger or impatience" is sometimes called for.  Also, his "good example" was calculated to effeminize and fαɢɢօtize male children.


    In this and other posts (fondness for non-Catholic music, "boy" is derogatory, your general method of discourse) you sure have demonstrated that you are plugged in to the Jєωs' social engineering system.



    Fred Rogers was not Jєωιѕн, nor did his program "effeminize and fαɢɢօtize male children." It is clear that you really do not know Fred Rogers, or what he did or said.

    Here are two quotes:

    “Discovering the truth about ourselves is a lifetime’s work, but it’s worth the effort.”

    And:

    “When I was a boy and I would see scary things in the news, my mother would say to me, "Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping.”

    That is Fred Rogers.

    I like Catholic music. I like non-Catholic music. I read Catholic literature, as well as non-Catholic literature. It is not a sin to appreciate the works of non-Catholics, as we have enjoyed the works of the Pagan Greeks and Romans since the earliest days of the Church, to our own time. This topic, however, is more complex than simply "Catholic and non-Catholic", and would easily overwhelm this board and this thread.

    You may claim that I am "plugged into the Jєωs' social engineering program", but your claim cannot be substantiated. It is a clear attack on myself, rather than a reasonable argument.

    I can have a debate or discussion without the use of "ad hominem", "Straw-men" or other incendiary word or phrases. I do not attack the person, but I will use logic, reason and facts to highlight the Truth, and eliminate deception and error.

    [19] You know, my dearest brethren. And let every man be swift to hear, but slow to speak, and slow to anger. [20] For the anger of man worketh not the justice of God.

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    « Reply #29 on: October 23, 2015, 09:57:22 AM »
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  • I don't think it was so much in that it fαɢɢօtized but that generally that ´people who were entertained with that as adults would be in that category.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...