Author Topic: There Is No Resistance (Read 6958 times)

SeanJohnson · « **on:** November 26, 2012, 09:57:29 PM »

It is finally sinking in.

We are all just playing house.

The so-called resistence is largely fictitious.

600 priests, and only 3 determine not to change.

1 bishop with no plans for training more priests, much less traditional ordination or consecration (there are no candidates!).

We will fortify our homes because our leaders have left us with no other choice.

It was a self-fulfilling prophecy.

There is no resistence.

Instead, there is resignation.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #1 on:** November 26, 2012, 10:03:06 PM »

Quote from: Seraphim

It is finally sinking in.

We are all just playing house.

The so-called resistence is largely fictitious.

600 priests, and only 3 determine not to change.

1 bishop with no plans for training more priests, much less traditional ordination or consecration (there are no candidates!).

We will fortify our homes because our leaders have left us with no other choice.

It was a self-fulfilling prophecy.

There is no resistence.

Instead, there is resignation.

That's a ridiculous post. Of course there is resistance - and the enemy knows it, which is why the enemy has furiously overreacted.

What happened in June? You don't remember all the sermons posted? Do you think that didn't have an effect?

Believe it - the reason the neotrads are so incensed is that they know they were shown being unable to to deliver what they were promising to Rome.

The overt actions of Fathers Pfeiffer, Chazal, and Hewko (and there are others) are just the tip of the iceberg.

Take heart.

magdalena · « **Reply #2 on:** November 26, 2012, 10:09:58 PM »

Quote from: Seraphim

It is finally sinking in.

We are all just playing house.

The so-called resistence is largely fictitious.

600 priests, and only 3 determine not to change.

1 bishop with no plans for training more priests, much less traditional ordination or consecration (there are no candidates!).

We will fortify our homes because our leaders have left us with no other choice.

It was a self-fulfilling prophecy.

There is no resistence.

Instead, there is resignation.

:pop:

:sad:

Time to pray that much harder.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #3 on:** November 26, 2012, 10:54:55 PM »

Recall the poll given here last year: if pulled into a corner, who would you support.

The vote was 35-1 for Bishop Williamson over Bishop Fellay.

This forum (with probably over 100 active members) probably represents at most five to ten percent of people who agree with the resistance. There are probably 30 to 60 priests in the SSPX who agree with Fathers Pfeiffer and Chazal.

The resistance can survive and flourish, and in time, draw out the people from the listing SSPX life-boat.

The tepid priests, the neotrads and the country-club trads, the young feminist minded women were already lost no matter what the SSPX was going to do.

It was past time to sort out those who believe in militancy to those who believe in Benedict XVI's "traditional heart."

Ten years of complacency, of believing things were going well, of not being vigilant enough, led to this disaster.

Take heart, the resistance is alive and well and will succeed in keeping alive the Archbishop's work. That's why the devil's side is furious and lashing out with threats.

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #4 on:** November 26, 2012, 10:59:00 PM »

If one relies on self, then all endeavors are futile. However, when one relies on God, abandoning himself unto Divine Providence and clinging unto hope despite all difficulties, then victory is closer than you may realize, because the divine Victor, Our Lord, is close to you in this great trial and devastation.

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #5 on:** November 26, 2012, 11:00:54 PM »

The same glorious Mother of God, Victrix upon the enemies of her Divine Son, is ever guiding you with her exceeding great maternal love and power, as she shall also protect and lead her faithful servants in the sacred war against the forces of anti-Christ and his agents, as the Marian adaptation of Psalm cxliii written by the great Seraphic Doctor, Saint Bonaventure [to be found in the latter of his works in the tome The Mirror of the Blessed Virgin Mary (Speculum Beatae Mariae Virginis) and The Psalter of Our Lady (Psalterium Beatae Mariae Virginis) (trans. Sr. Mary Emmanuel, O.S.B.; St. Louis, MO: B. Herder Book Co., 1932)], shows:

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #6 on:** November 26, 2012, 11:04:49 PM »

Beware of the seductions and temptations of the evil one, who yearns for the children of Holy Mother Church to give up in the sacred war for our holy Faith because of the heaviness of the Cross.

Take solace from the great unction and apostolic ardor suffused in the celebrated fourteenth chapter of St. Louis-Marie de Montfort's classic work The Love of the Eternal Wisdom (trans. A. Somers S.M.M.; Philadelphia, Penn.: The Peter Reilly Company, 1949).

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #7 on:** November 26, 2012, 11:13:32 PM »

Do not grow faint in heart.

From the great Rev. Father Cornelius J. Ryan's The Epistles of the Sundays and Festivals with an Introduction, Notes and Moral Reflections, (Vol. II; Dublin: M. H. Gill and Son, Ltd., 1932), here is a commentary upon the Epistle lesson for the Mass of the twenty-first Sunday after Pentecost, from whence I hope you may take some solace, especially the Moral Reflection towards the conclusion.

Again, please be assured of my prayers.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #8 on:** November 27, 2012, 02:04:05 AM »

Quote from: Hobbledehoy

This post of Hobbledehoy, has a Roman soldier advancing against an odd
collection of animal heads, which appear to be (from the top and in
clockwise direction) a goose, lion, rabbit, snail, dog or bear, serpent,
camel or dromedary. These made no sense until it occurred to me that
perhaps they are allegorical, or apocalyptic. Then I had to wonder: what is
a SNAIL doing in this group? What could that be depicting? And immediately
sloth came to mind. Then I noticed there are 7 animals. Well, the seven
deadly sins includes one for sloth. I took a wild guess at what the others
mean, and was not convinced I had it right, so I went checking on the
Internet and found the following animal depictions for the seven deadly
sins in ancient literature:

order - Latin - English - animal

1. superbia - pride, vainglory -- Lion
2. avaritia - avarice, greed -- wolf, frog, toad
3. luxuria - lust, -- cow, goat, ass
4. invidia - envy, coveteousness -- dog, serpent
5. gula - gluttony, -- fly, pig
6. acedia - sloth, sadness -- donkey, goat
7. ira - wrath, anger -- leopard, wild boar, bear

Sin ------------- Punishment in Hell ---------- Animal ---- Color

Pride ------ broken on the wheel -    Horse -   Violet
Envy ------ put in freezing water -    Dog -   Green
Anger ----- dismembered alive - Bear -   Red
Sloth ----- thrown in snake pits -     Goat -   Light Blue
Greed ----- put in cauldrons of boiling oil -   Frog -   Yellow
Gluttony -- forced to eat rats, toads, and snakes -   Pig -   Orange
Lust ------- smothered in fire and brimstone -   Cow -    Blue

http://deadlysins.com/sins/history.html

http://forgottenknowledge.tripod.com/id40.htm

Putting all this together, here is what I come up with for the woodcut above:

1. lion - pride
2. rabbit - lust
3. snail - sloth
4. bear or dog - anger, wrath
5. serpent - envy, coveteousness
6. camel - avarice, greed
7. goose - gluttony

Does anyone have better guesses??

Quick -- before the cement dries -- these 7 heads are on ONE BODY!
There are eagle talons but no eagle head!!!

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #9 on:** November 27, 2012, 02:20:58 AM »

I was going to explain that the Scripture Ephesians vi. 10-17 is obviously the
inspiration for the Roman soldier with the helmet of salvation that has "HOPE"
written across the forehead, and the Holy Ghost is behind him, for he has
put on the armor of God. But this passage of Ephesians says nothing about
a 7-headed monster. That's a lot more like the Apocalypse, but I'm not sure
just what chapter.

I read through all the words Hobbles posted and did not find any description of
this woodcut print to which I refer.

Wessex · « **Reply #10 on:** November 27, 2012, 05:30:07 AM »

There is certainly no revolt in the pews; the laity have their Latin Mass and the appearance of tradition. Little changes here and there are not worth getting upset over! And there is nothing new in priests having to leave! And Bp. Fellay has such a nice smile!

Priests need a minimum of committed laity to sustain a viable independent parish; the model of future traditional resistance according to Bp. W. It is like starting up a small business; you need property, organisation and demand. How many SSPX priests trained to be dependent on 'the firm' have business flair, assuming they want to leave in the first place?

The obvious leaders of such a resistance are the Three Bishops whose only joint initiative against the plans of Menzingen was to leave them divided and exiled. Unlike ABL who already had experience of heading a large organisation these bishops have so far only played middle management roles far removed from the formation of new apostolates worthy of their station. Faith can take a battering when it comes down to practicalities.

The Society would say it has far more requests for its services than it can provide. Bp. W and Frs. Chazal and Pffeifer are now learning how large the demand is for old-style traditionalism.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #11 on:** November 27, 2012, 06:46:01 AM »

Quote from: Wessex

There is certainly no revolt in the pews; the laity have their Latin Mass and the appearance of tradition. Little changes here and there are not worth getting upset over! And there is nothing new in priests having to leave! And Bp. Fellay has such a nice smile!

Priests need a minimum of committed laity to sustain a viable independent parish; the model of future traditional resistance according to Bp. W. It is like starting up a small business; you need property, organisation and demand. How many SSPX priests trained to be dependent on 'the firm' have business flair, assuming they want to leave in the first place?

The obvious leaders of such a resistance are the Three Bishops whose only joint initiative against the plans of Menzingen was to leave them divided and exiled. Unlike ABL who already had experience of heading a large organisation these bishops have so far only played middle management roles far removed from the formation of new apostolates worthy of their station. Faith can take a battering when it comes down to practicalities.

The Society would say it has far more requests for its services than it can provide. Bp. W and Frs. Chazal and Pffeifer are now learning how large the demand is for old-style traditionalism.

Wessex said:

"The Society would say it has far more requests for its services than it can provide. Bp. W and Frs. Chazal and Pffeifer are now learning how large the demand is for old-style traditionalism. [/quote]"

Response:

Yes.

Unfortunately, yes.

If the priests and bishops would lead, things would become much different.

But with only 5-30 parishioners/chapel opposing the flow to any serious extent, and sacramental deprivation being the potential penalty for discovery, the formation of a resistence is pre-empted.

We need the priests and bishops to lead, but they have shown an unwillingness to do so.

We have promised them financial/material support, but still they refuse.

And when Bishop Williamson shall die, having left no bishops, seminary, priests, or infrastructure, this infinitisimal resistence will die with him (there being no way for it to perpetuate itself).

The privates cannot lead the officers.

It is not our place, and the clergy need to see that.

Perhaps they are all waiting to see if a deal is actually signed before once more resisting?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #12 on:** November 27, 2012, 07:02:51 AM »

Quote from: Wessex

There is certainly no revolt in the pews

What is a "revolt in the pews" supposed to look like?

When almost no one showed up at a New York chapel to greet Father Rostand, what do you call that?

1531 · « **Reply #13 on:** November 27, 2012, 01:16:49 PM »

Quote from: Seraphim

Quote from: Wessex
There is certainly no revolt in the pews; the laity have their Latin Mass and the appearance of tradition. Little changes here and there are not worth getting upset over! And there is nothing new in priests having to leave! And Bp. Fellay has such a nice smile!

Priests need a minimum of committed laity to sustain a viable independent parish; the model of future traditional resistance according to Bp. W. It is like starting up a small business; you need property, organisation and demand. How many SSPX priests trained to be dependent on 'the firm' have business flair, assuming they want to leave in the first place?

The obvious leaders of such a resistance are the Three Bishops whose only joint initiative against the plans of Menzingen was to leave them divided and exiled. Unlike ABL who already had experience of heading a large organisation these bishops have so far only played middle management roles far removed from the formation of new apostolates worthy of their station. Faith can take a battering when it comes down to practicalities.

The Society would say it has far more requests for its services than it can provide. Bp. W and Frs. Chazal and Pffeifer are now learning how large the demand is for old-style traditionalism.

Wessex said:

"The Society would say it has far more requests for its services than it can provide. Bp. W and Frs. Chazal and Pffeifer are now learning how large the demand is for old-style traditionalism.

"

Response:

Yes.

Unfortunately, yes.

If the priests and bishops would lead, things would become much different.

But with only 5-30 parishioners/chapel opposing the flow to any serious extent, and sacramental deprivation being the potential penalty for discovery, the formation of a resistence is pre-empted.

We need the priests and bishops to lead, but they have shown an unwillingness to do so.

We have promised them financial/material support, but still they refuse.

And when Bishop Williamson shall die, having left no bishops, seminary, priests, or infrastructure, this infinitisimal resistence will die with him (there being no way for it to perpetuate itself).

The privates cannot lead the officers.

It is not our place, and the clergy need to see that.

Perhaps they are all waiting to see if a deal is actually signed before once more resisting?[/quote]

Mons Williamson, do not forget, has just been ousted from the London Priory and has to find accommodation for himself. Many promise help, but little is forthcoming. If we really want to help Mons Williamson so that we may ensure continuity, more financial support is needed. Do not forget either, that Monsegnor is being evicted in a most arbitrary manner, without even (I believe) a pension for all his years of faithful service to the SSPX. So, you clever so and sos out there who are criticising him, and some of the priests, have YOU put your hand in your pocket. And is anyone out there offering this venerable bishop a roof over his head.

How can he start up any proper resistance if the so-called faithful are so backward in coming forward! Wake up out there and put your money where your mouth is

- those of you who are just talking.

bowler · « **Reply #14 on:** November 27, 2012, 01:25:58 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Quote from: Wessex
There is certainly no revolt in the pews

What is a "revolt in the pews" supposed to look like?

When almost no one showed up at a New York chapel to greet Father Rostand, what do you call that?

Tell us more.