Some good posts in this thread!
Good job!
Now, Zzz seems to be more comfy with French, and that might be why
it's a challenge for me to read some things here, but I appreciate them
nonetheless!
“For a Society priest when he uses this term ‘the Conciliar Church’, he means the Church, the structure of the Church, the hierarchy of the Church in so far as it is infected with modern errors. The Conciliar Church. When a sedevacantist uses that term he means a different thing from the Catholic Church: The Conciliar Church is a different structure, a different thing from the Catholic Church. So if you will, when the Society says 'Conciliar Church' they emphasize 'Conciliar' and when the sedevacantists say it, they emphasize 'Church,' as in a different church."
--Fr. Theman, 16 Apr 2013, "Resistance to What?"
“Conciliar Church” was coined by Cardinal Benelli in a letter to ABL—and ABL used it BOTH ways—not just the one way dictated to parishioners of St. Mary’s by Fr. Themann. This absolute rejection of sedevacantism, of seeing the “conciliar church” as a “separate thing” is at the heart of the ralliement, the “re-integration”* of the SSPX in the “official” hierarchy of the Church (which they are not even really saying is happening, but if it were happening, it would be okay…). ABL did not reject the idea of the conciliar church as being something separate (“they separate themselves from the catholic church,” he said). Themann is playing a semantical game, just like he does with “truth”—speculative and prudential (ala brian mccall’s lawyerly-style rip of an eleison comments). He insists that a practical agreement is not a violation of principles but rather a matter of prudence. How is it more prudent to place the SSPX under the authority of the “conciliar church” in 2012 than it was in 1988 (or why is it no longer prudent today—or wait, what day is this?)?
*[Fr. Rostand, Against the Rumors]
“And it’s very important in our efforts to judge properly to not stop at the level of words. We have to understand what the meaning of the words is.”--Fr. Themann
By “we,” of course, he means us. It is up to us to adapt what we “thought” we knew to what we now “know” the SSPX wants us to think.
Here’s what we thought we knew: ABL was not looking for recognition like Pfluger, Fellay and their flunkies are. ABL was looking for a sign—and he wasn’t getting it. Fr. Themann says ABL took back his signature (on the May 5th protocol) because he didn’t believe he would get a bishop. True, he didn’t believe he would get a bishop—but this was not the only reason he took back his signature. He knew these churchmen could not be trusted: they had separated themselves from the Catholic Church (by embracing the errors of V2 and the modernism underlying it). Themann states that it is the position of the SSPX to see the “ultimate problem” of today as stemming from V2. (And the modernism underlying it—what of that?—not specific enough?). Yet, Fellay says in his doctrinal declaration that he is willing to interpret V2 in the “light of tradition.” (After all, ABL said this at one point too!) In his interview with CNS, Fellay states with half a laugh and a big smile that he really does believe that very few people actually know what the council said about religious liberty. (Or is that not fair of us—taking him out of context?).
So the churchmen teach a new faith, but the hierarchy stands? Bp. Williamson already addressed this issue in an Eleison Comments, which Fr. Laisnay idiotically criticized.
To speak metaphorically (but, I hope, not romantically!) the structure is not just on fire, it's an inferno. Who rushes into an inferno in hopes of setting up shop? No one. Or do the priests of the SSPX think they are firemen going to put out the fires of the conciliar church? Well, if they do, I’m sure they will put the fires out prudently. When pious sounding boys raised by sweet mamas put on cassocks, how can they be anything else but prudent?
Fr. Beck and his little boys in black are tolling the bells of St. Mary's. Listen. The SSPX is dead.
This gave me an idea:
We need a folk band, that plays Irish music or Bluegrass or some such thing,
and a new, hit song.
The Pf'llay-Pfluger-Pflunkies and the Menzingen-denizens
Sings:
The Song of the Secret Society As per usual, Wessex is packed in so tight you'll run the risk of missing the
content. So I added paragraphs!
Bp. W's 'loose association' avoids the pitfalls of creating yet another institution which ends up having a life of its own.
The hostile response to the Council would ultimately fail in unity because there were different levels of commitment to the prospect of being estranged from Rome long-term.
So much of the Society is now wedded to the desirability of a regularisation regardless of doctrine to the point of it displacing the preservation of the priesthood as its principle goal.
After forty years the organisation assumes a more comfortable position in a hostile world.
But it jealously guards its territory from rivals as its survival right or wrong is all important.
New song titles pfor
The Pf'llay-Pfluger-Pflunkies and the Menzingen-denizens:
The Prospect of Being Estranged Long-Term
Different Levels of Commitment
Regularization Regardless of Doctrine
More Comfortable Position in a Hostile World
Survival - Right or Wrong - Is All-Important! Also out of interest how many are that outraged the Yids control the SSPX?
Most don't know or don't care....Bp Fellay and his new "friends" were counting on that - and they turned out to be right..I can almost hear them now;" as long as we give them their smells and bells and pretty Latin they won't care about anything else.."
A few more:
Under Their Thumb - And Where's the Outrage?!
Saga of the Smells n' Bells n' Pretty Latin (aka the Smells and Bells Ballade)
Father Beck and His Little Boys in Black
The Bells - For Whom They Toll
At The Heart of The Ralliement
The Sede Saga