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Offline Adolphus

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« on: September 19, 2015, 12:40:46 AM »
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  • DAMNABLE NATURALISM

    September 19, 2015
    Number CDXXVII (427)
     
    Nature sufficed before the Incarnation,
    But now, without Our Lord, there’s just damnation.


    “I am a man. I stand on my own feet. I have a mind and a will and a sense of duty. I can lead a decent, even noble, life on the natural level, far above mere materialism. Now you as a Catholic come and tell me of a supernatural, superhuman life, superior to the natural life, requiring supernatural virtues to be lived. You tell me it is a life far superior to the natural life, made possible by an Incarnate God, and promising unimaginable bliss. Now that is all very well, but quite honestly, I find human nature is enough: the life of neither an angel nor a beast. I want neither the Heaven to come, nor the demands it makes here on earth. I decline the benefit with the burden. I will content myself with a decent natural life, that God will reward with a decent natural after-life.”

    That is how Cardinal Pie (1815–1880) put in the mouth of many an upright and respectable citizen of mid-19th century the grave error of naturalism, which was sending then, and has sent ever since, huge numbers of souls down to Hell. Naturalism is the denial, or as here, the refusal, of the whole supernatural order. Nature is all, or is all that I want. Nothing above nature exists, or if it does exist, I politely decline it. Leo XIII in his Encyclical denounced naturalism as being the essential error of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ (see Humanum Genus ). Naturalism is the huge error of Hollywood, barely noticed because all of us have grown so used to the modern world as moulded by the Freemasons, one of whose principles is to be everywhere but to be seen nowhere. Cardinal Pie answered his respectable citizen with three arguments:—

    Firstly, God is the Creator and the sovereign Lord of man, his creature. Having created the natural man who indeed belongs to the natural order (God’s gift of the world to man), he retained the right to perfect man by raising him also to the supernatural order (God’s gift of God to man). In fact God did appoint man to enter the supernatural order, by an act of love which man has no right to refuse, because the gift and the love are so great. Thus God makes the benefit an obligation, under severe penalty for refusal of the benefit, and for revolt against the love. The nobility of participating in God’s own nature by his gift of supernatural grace constitutes an obligation, such that he who refuses to behave like a son will be treated like a slave.

    Secondly, reason itself proves that God revealed himself through his Son, Jesus Christ. If God reveals, I must see. Now his Incarnate Son revealed that to refuse to believe is to be condemned (Mk. XVI, 16). The Father has handed all judgment to the Son (Jn. V, 22–23). Every knee must bow to Jesus (Phil. II, 9–11). Every intelligence is to come under Jesus (II Cor. X, 4–6). All things are summed up in Jesus (Eph. I, 10–12; Heb. II, 8). There is no other name under Heaven than that of Jesus by which we can be saved (Acts, IV, 11–12). St Augustine on Jn. XV says, either one is attached to Christ like branch to vine and one bears fruit, or one is detached from him and is thrown into the fire. Vine or fire! You don’t want the fire? Cling to the vine!

    Thirdly, to lead a truly decent natural life without supernatural grace is impossible. Fallen man is weak in mind and will. In practice, the Cardinal asks, how many “decent and respectable citizens” without God’s grace are capable of resisting all temptation? By day they behave decently in the office, but at night . . . ? They follow the noble Plato in public, but in private they follow the pleasure-seeking Epicurus. “Admit it, Sir,” warns the Cardinal: “In men’s eyes you may always have been very correct, but not in your own eyes, and if there is not a drop of Christ’s Blood in your soul, you are heading for punishment.”

    Kyrie eleison.


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    « Reply #1 on: September 19, 2015, 11:32:03 AM »
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  • It looks like he won't won't addressing addressing "year of mercy" debacle. Disappointing.


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    « Reply #2 on: September 19, 2015, 05:33:48 PM »
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  • What's disappointing is that we're not grateful to have a bishop who still teaches us Catholic principles, echoing what the Popes taught. God bless the good Bishop.

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    « Reply #3 on: September 19, 2015, 06:05:06 PM »
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  • Quote from: Raphael
    What's disappointing is that we're not grateful to have a bishop who still teaches us Catholic principles, echoing what the Popes taught. God bless the good Bishop.


    This is all well and good, but if I were a Resistance supporter, I would love to see both of the following things being addressed on a regular basis:

    (1) Matters directly related to the Crisis
    (2) Ongoing teaching of the traditional Catholic Faith (and sometimes these two will clearly intersect)

    The issue related to the SSPX priests and the Year of Mercy is going on three weeks now.  When do you think he should address it?  Why do you think he hasn't addressed it yet?
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    « Reply #4 on: September 19, 2015, 07:39:41 PM »
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  • 2Vermont:  
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    The issue related to the SSPX priests and the Year of Mercy is going on three weeks now.  When do you think he should address it?  Why do you think he hasn't addressed it yet?

    2Vermont, what makes you think that the bishop is under any obligation at all to address the "Year of Mercy.?"  I support H.E., and I, for one, could care less.  He can completely ignore the event for all I care.  So what kind of pressure do you think you can bring to bear in order to force his hand?  I can say with almost complete certitude that H.E. doesn't care what you think he should be doing, or a hundred people like you.  

    2Vermont:
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    This is all well and good, but if I were a Resistance supporter, I would love to see both of the following things being addressed on a regular basis:

    You just don't get it do you?  Fact is, you are not a "Resistance supporter" by your own admission.  Which brings up a question:  What is a "Resistance supporter?"  Do you refer to one who supports Fr. Pfeiffer, by chance, or some other priest?  BTW, "resistance" to what or to whom? I mean resistance to Fellay & Co. is becoming rather passe, wouldn't you say?  Let's move on.


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    « Reply #5 on: September 19, 2015, 07:49:16 PM »
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  • Naturalism. Is this not both your #1 and #2, 2Vermont? We see it on a daily basis, in the world, and now in our (SSPX) chapels. I do, anyways. This EC is timely. I find it disturbing that so many people feel free to criticize Bishop Williamson, from his "inaction" to his EC's.  Why? Perhaps I am defensive seeing how much slander is directed at him. It's not right. He is the lone voice out there in this world. He's taken a lot of heat, from all sides, for his stance. We need to start acting like true Catholics and stand by him, not criticize him on this or that. It's not all "well and good", 2Vermont. What I've said is not cliche. When will he address the "Year of "Mercy"? Who cares? You know it's garbage. How long have we been in this fight?

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    « Reply #6 on: September 19, 2015, 10:05:34 PM »
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  • I'm afraid that people like 2Vermont feel that they have, perhaps, a God-given right to question the bishop, and hold him to a standard which they themselves erect.  These folks 'pipe,' but H.E. does not 'dance.'  This frustrates them. He does not behave as they feel he should.  It's all pretty laughable, from my point of view anyway

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    « Reply #7 on: September 19, 2015, 10:19:33 PM »
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  • Quote from: hollingsworth
    I'm afraid that people like 2Vermont ...


    They're dissenters and dividers. It's what they do best...
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)


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    « Reply #8 on: September 19, 2015, 11:06:45 PM »
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  • Quote from: 2Vermont
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    What's disappointing is that we're not grateful to have a bishop who still teaches us Catholic principles, echoing what the Popes taught. God bless the good Bishop.


    This is all well and good, but if I were a Resistance supporter, I would love to see both of the following things being addressed on a regular basis:

    (1) Matters directly related to the Crisis
    (2) Ongoing teaching of the traditional Catholic Faith (and sometimes these two will clearly intersect)

    The issue related to the SSPX priests and the Year of Mercy is going on three weeks now.  When do you think he should address it?  Why do you think he hasn't addressed it yet?



    Since you are not a resistance supporter and are in fact a sede why don't you just shut up instead,no one is interested in your opinion, go hang out with your own kind.

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    « Reply #9 on: September 20, 2015, 07:03:13 AM »
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  • Perhaps I should not have worded it as "Resistance supporter".  I actually do agree with (and support) anything the Resistance does that pertains to fighting modernism and supports the pre-Vatican II Faith and I believe my posting history here and elsewhere has shown that.  

    So, despite the braying of a few of the posters here, I do not have it in for Bishop Williamson and/or the Resistance despite the fact that I am a sede (although it's pretty clear that there are those in the Resistance who wouldn't be able to say the same thing for the sedevacantists).  Nor do I expect him to listen to me.  I'm posting my views on things and that is all.  Take it or leave it.  

    Besides, I actually thought my post up-thread was a balanced, fair post regarding the Bishop and the EC's.  I thought the content of the current EC was a good one.  I was merely thinking it would be great if each EC addressed the latest regarding the crisis and the Faith (maybe have two parts?).  I think we have a number of posters who are overly sensitive these days and perhaps having a sede say anything is just too much for them. Oh well.  I still will.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    « Reply #10 on: September 20, 2015, 11:04:11 AM »
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  • Quote from: Bishop Williamson
    Nature sufficed before the Incarnation,
    But now, without Our Lord, there’s just damnation.


    Nice line, but the question is, does Bishop Williamson really believe this?  Archbishop Lefebvre didn't appear to.


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    « Reply #11 on: September 20, 2015, 12:37:19 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    Quote from: Bishop Williamson
    Nature sufficed before the Incarnation,
    But now, without Our Lord, there’s just damnation.


    Nice line, but the question is, does Bishop Williamson really believe this?  Archbishop Lefebvre didn't appear to.


    Unfortunately, I think it was docuмented that Bishop Williamson believes in salvation of non-Catholics through "invincible ignorance".

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    « Reply #12 on: September 20, 2015, 04:06:40 PM »
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  • I really like this latest piece by Bishop Williamson. Especially the part about Hollywood and Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. Hollywood has been in large part responsible for the increase of secularism here in the U.S., IMO. Without Hollywood, the humanist revolution may have taken longer to implement. I could be wrong about that. And yes, I'm aware that Hollywood is controlled by Jєωs, for the most part. Jєωs seem to want a pluralist society.

    If H.E. doesn't want to write about the "Year of Mercy" situation, that's okay. I was hoping that he'd do so, but oh well....


    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    « Reply #13 on: September 21, 2015, 08:39:09 AM »
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  • The fewer references to modern Rome the better, particularly the off and on love affair between her and  the Bridegroom of Menzingen. Now that he has distanced himself from all that and chooses to eschew the corruptions of organisation although his status is a product of organisation, I would say the bishop has the freedom to attack the prevailing ideology wherever it has penetrated.