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Offline Zorayda

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The useful lesson from the recent trial Bishop de Galarretas Tradition Da
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2012, 12:15:08 PM »
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  • Very disappointing!
    Your Excellency, we do not ask for "perfection" from the SSPX & its authorities. We demand outright transparency & consistency in Catholic doctrine!

    No wonder he's been in hiding. A Catholic bishop is not suppose to say,"Well, we're not perfect but let me tell you what I think." That's sooo lame! You never heard that kind of answer from ABL!

    Bishop Tissier said the GC was a disaster & that the 6 conditions were made in haste & that he signed it because he wanted unity. I'm going to buy Tissier's story because it's harder to tell the truth & a lot easier to go round in circles in falsehood!

    I am so SICK of these men saying that flirting with the enemies of Christ the King is innocent & fruitful!!! The last 12 years of romping with Apostate Anti-Christ Rome was the biggest waste of time in Church history. 12 years of adultery!!! And what do these men come up with: lame excuses & boring stories!

    Your Excellencies, when are you going to man up to your responsibilities!!! The souls of our children are being raped on a daily basis while you waste precious time flirting with the enemies of Tradition. You don't have to make a pilgrimage to Apostate Rome to show unity with Eternal Rome. A holy & faithful monk stays put in his cell & remains faithful to Christ! Saints were never dramatic artists! 12 years of drama! Put a stop to this nonsense & eject your master puppeteer!
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    Offline John Grace

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    « Reply #2 on: October 22, 2012, 01:07:49 PM »
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  • He is either being "leaned on" or actually believes the points Seraphim posted here.There is no doubt Menzingen want a canonical normalisation.
    http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11182
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    QUOTE (Seraphim @ Oct 22 2012, 05:21 PM)
    A very disappointing response from Bishop de Galerreta:

    1) Absolutely no reference whatsoever to the need to resolve the doctrinal issues before discussion of a canonical normalization can begin.

    2) Instead, we have the opposite: 100% fixation and commentary upon a canonical solution;

    Tradfly.
    He sure took his time getting to the point.
    Nothing new here.


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    A very disappointing response from Bishop de Galerreta:

    1) Absolutely no reference whatsoever to the need to resolve the doctrinal issues before discussion of a canonical normalization can begin.

    2) Instead, we have the opposite: 100% fixation and commentary upon a canonical solution;

    3) "Based on these extremely important and productive discussions, we have established some conditions that could allow us to envisage hypothetically a canonical normalization."

    Commentary: So much for these conditions having been decided upon to prevent a solution, as some like Lane had claimed.

    4) No mention whatsoever of the Bishop Williamson situation, and the illegal Chapter proceedings used to eliminate him from the discussion. Instead, de Galerreta assures us (in the face of this omission!) that the Chapter restored unity???

    5) He considers the conditions decided upon as being very good, if imperfect. Apparently it never occurs to him to question why the SSPX shuold bargain for tradition on a panel with enemies; why the SSPX should be willing in its official docuмent to reduce their bishops to 1 (despite his unofficial commentary that they all know they need more); what will happen if that bishop dies? Who will select the next one? Who will decide who from the SSPX will sit on a brokering commission to fight for tradition; etc, etc.

    6) In the final analysis, this confirms that Bishop de Galerreta is no longer a resistance influence, but is taking the guided tour through the regularization process.

    7) It also confirms that Menzingen is fighting mightily to get a deal with Rome, and according to the words of de Galerreta, the conditions were erected to facillitate that end. It is Rome who balked, not Menzingen.


    It's necessary to see the original French.

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    The useful lesson from the recent trial Bishop de Galarretas Tradition Da
    « Reply #3 on: October 22, 2012, 01:10:06 PM »
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  • No mention of Bishop Williamson or all the priests who have ben exiled.

    In the future, Bishop Galaretta, and Tissier de Mallerais will likely be removed too. Like the communists totalitarians, Bishop Fellay will continue purging anyone with a mind of their own. That is the way it works.

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    The useful lesson from the recent trial Bishop de Galarretas Tradition Da
    « Reply #4 on: October 22, 2012, 01:11:23 PM »
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  • Quote from: bowler
    No mention of Bishop Williamson or all the priests who have ben exiled.

    In the future, Bishop Galaretta, and Tissier de Mallerais will likely be removed too. Like the communists totalitarians, Bishop Fellay will continue purging anyone with a mind of their own. That is the way it works.


    It's necessary to get a script translated from the French.


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    « Reply #5 on: October 22, 2012, 01:21:28 PM »
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  • It's disgraceful he didn't even mention Bishop Williamson and the priests, who have been expelled.

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    « Reply #6 on: October 22, 2012, 01:24:30 PM »
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  • Great comment from Columba

    http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11182
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    So +de Galarreta is now willing to place the SSPX in the hands of Modernists under certain conditions. Why?


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    The bishop's position has softened. Previously, with his two brother bishops, he demonstrated greater firmness:


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    And when one year later, Rome seemed to make true gestures of benevolence towards Tradition, Archbishop Lefebvre was always wary. He feared that they are only “maneuvers to separate us from the largest number of faithful possible. This is the perspective in which they seem to be always giving a little more and even going very far. We must absolutely convince our faithful that it is no more than a maneuvers, that it is dangerous to put oneself into the hands of Conciliar bishops and Modernist Rome. It is the greatest danger threatening our people. If we have struggled for twenty years to avoid the Conciliar errors, it was not in order, now, to put ourselves in the hands of those professing these errors.” According to Archbishop Lefebvre the characteristic of the Society is, more than to just denounce the errors by their name, but rather to effectively and publicly oppose the Roman authorities which has spread them. How will one be able to make an agreement and make this public resistance to the authorities, including the Pope? And after having fought during more than forty years, will the Society now have to be put into the hands of the modernists and liberals whose pertinacity we have just come to observe?

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    The useful lesson from the recent trial Bishop de Galarretas Tradition Da
    « Reply #7 on: October 22, 2012, 01:28:19 PM »
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  • Quote from: bvmknight
    http://sspx.org/sspx_and_rome/bishop_de_galarreta_sermon_10-13-2012.htm


    I'm disgusted with Tissier de Mallerais and de Galarreta for their cowardice and inaction.  Despite the profound disagreement I have with +Williamson regarding the occupation of the Holy Seat, I have nothing but the utmost respect for his work and his unflinching commitment to the traditional Catholic faith.  I have no doubt that many generations from now his perseverance and fidelity will be held by Catholics as an example of great virtue, even heroic virtue God-willing.


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    « Reply #8 on: October 22, 2012, 01:45:31 PM »
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  • group hug! the chapter hangs togther... while BW and the expelled priests hang seperately! .....and the faithful.......try to hang on... :sad:

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    The useful lesson from the recent trial Bishop de Galarretas Tradition Da
    « Reply #9 on: October 22, 2012, 01:58:18 PM »
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    No mention of Bishop Williamson or all the priests who have ben exiled.

    In the future, Bishop Galaretta, and Tissier de Mallerais will likely be removed too. Like the communists totalitarians, Bishop Fellay will continue purging anyone with a mind of their own. That is the way it works.


    If Bishop Galaretta, and Bishop Tissier de Mallerais do not stand up for Bishop Williamson and the SSPX priests that have been expelled, then they will sooner or later learn the old lesson:

    When the communists came for the rich and factory landowners,
    I remained silent;
    I was not a admirer of the "rich".

    When they locked up the small business owners,
    I remained silent;
    I was just a low level employee.

    When they came for my bosses,
    I did not speak out;
    I was not enamored of them.

    When they came for my neighbors,
    I remained silent;
    I wasn't a big mouth like them.

    When they came for me,
    there was no one left to speak out.

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    I was shocked to find the four SSPX bishops celebrating the lifting of their excommunications, when the excommunications of Abp. Lefevbre and Bishop Castro de Mayer had not been lifted. A noble person would have rejected the lifting of the excommunicatios, if it did not include those two patriarchs.

    Now we see that Bishop Williamson will be next, expulsed from the SSPX, and likely now being also threatenend with re-excommunicated from Rome.

    That is the way it works. He should not have accepted the lifting of his excommunication, since the two patriarchs were left out. The same will happen to all of them, and the last one will be Bishop Fellay, he will also have his head cut off by the progressivist.

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    « Reply #10 on: October 22, 2012, 02:46:33 PM »
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  • A bit off topic but with Mc Farland attacking Bishop Williamson, it is worth noting Mc Farland, Krah and Brian McCall are all lawyer's so what is with Fellayite lawyer's attacking His Lordship. Who are they to be attacking a senior Bishop of the Society with a fantastic grasp of theology and who has never abandoned the principles of the Archbishop? Their attacks are disgusting.