Author Topic: The urgency of new episcopal consecrations (Read 2497 times)

Telesphorus · « **on:** July 21, 2012, 06:54:28 PM »

The sedevacantists groups are dogged by doubtful orders.

Traditionalism has a serious problem, and that is the threat that the neo-SSPX leadership poses to its continuity.

With only 3 faithful bishops in the SSPX, who grow older by the day, there is a grave danger of that some sort of persecution or intimidation could quickly snuff out the bishops and their essential function for the continuation of the mass.

Hopefully two or three of the bishops will soon meet to consecrate 15-20 priests as new bishops, a new episcopal core that will serve the Church and help to ensure that the sacraments can reach the faithful.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #1 on:** July 21, 2012, 07:06:57 PM »

In particular, the priests who have had the courage to stand up and publicly resist the +Fellay cabal should be raised to the episcopate. All of them who are willing and able.

Domitilla · « **Reply #2 on:** July 21, 2012, 07:28:09 PM »

Let us pray that +Tissier de Mallerais, +de Galarreta(sp), and +Williamson will band together and begin consecrating the necessary Bishops and priests who will remain faithful to the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church quickly. Now is the time for action!

Our help is in the Name of the Lord Who made Heaven and Earth

Lord Jesus Crucified, Have mercy upon us

Sweet Heart of Mary, be our salvation.

St. Pius X, pray for us.

Archbishop Lefebvre, pray for us.

bernadette · « **Reply #3 on:** July 21, 2012, 07:50:22 PM »

I just can't see it happening...nothing changes, after all this business nothing to note but a compromised sspx. We rarely hear 'peep' from any of the other three bishops, clearly Fellay will remain in control for another six years or whenever his time is up...what a joke, I don't know about any one else here, but I grow weary and disinterested....

Telesphorus · « **Reply #4 on:** July 21, 2012, 07:52:12 PM »

Quote from: bernadette

I just can't see it happening...nothing changes, after all this business nothing to note but a compromised sspx. We rarely hear 'peep' from any of the other three bishops, clearly Fellay will remain in control for another six years or whenever his time is up...what a joke, I don't know about any one else here, but I grow weary and disinterested....

Something is going to happen eventually. Likely something bad. I just hope that those who have it within their power to take steps to ensure that traditionalism can survive a "hostile takeover" will take those steps - sooner rather than later.

Emerentiana · « **Reply #5 on:** July 21, 2012, 08:50:33 PM »

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Something is going to happen eventually. Likely something bad. I just hope that those who have it within their power to take steps to ensure that traditionalism can survive a "hostile takeover" will take those steps - sooner rather than later.

Tele,
Tradition will survive, but probably only in the REMNANT of the faithful, priests, bishops and lay people who adhere to all the Sacred truths the church teaches. It will not be saved by the Neo SSPX who think they are the "Saviors " of the church, and of tradition.
These faithful few will have to face the final fury of the devil and his minions. Our Lord has given us the promise that the gates of hell will not prevail against the church.
This period is the "winnowing" of the traditional church. Its only beginning.

It is not up to us, lay people and priests to save the Church. Our Lord will save it, in his time. Those who perservere will be willing to give up everything for their faith.

cathman7 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 21, 2012, 08:55:58 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

The sedevacantists groups are dogged by doubtful orders.

Traditionalism has a serious problem, and that is the threat that the neo-SSPX leadership poses to its continuity.

With only 3 faithful bishops in the SSPX, who grow older by the day, there is a grave danger of that some sort of persecution or intimidation could quickly snuff out the bishops and their essential function for the continuation of the mass.

Hopefully two or three of the bishops will soon meet to consecrate 15-20 priests as new bishops, a new episcopal core that will serve the Church and help to ensure that the sacraments can reach the faithful.

15-20 bishops!!

Then there could be a real danger of setting up a parallel hierarchy. Listen, I am against a practical agreement with Rome but we have to be careful in having a misguided zeal. Episcopal consecrations shouldn't be done lightly.

magdalena · « **Reply #7 on:** July 21, 2012, 08:58:20 PM »

Quote from: Emerentiana

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Something is going to happen eventually. Likely something bad. I just hope that those who have it within their power to take steps to ensure that traditionalism can survive a "hostile takeover" will take those steps - sooner rather than later.

Tele,
Tradition will survive, but probably only in the REMNANT of the faithful, priests, bishops and lay people who adhere to all the Sacred truths the church teaches. It will not be saved by the Neo SSPX who think they are the "Saviors " of the church, and of tradition.
These faithful few will have to face the final fury of the devil and his minions. Our Lord has given us the promise that the gates of hell will not prevail against the church.
This period is the "winnowing" of the traditional church. Its only beginning.

It is not up to us, lay people and priests to save the Church. Our Lord will save it, in his time. Those who perservere will be willing to give up everything for their faith.

I'd like it to be otherwise--that new bishops will be consecrated, etc.-- but I'm thinking that, sadly, you are right.

Zenith · « **Reply #8 on:** July 21, 2012, 08:59:24 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

The sedevacantists groups are dogged by doubtful orders.

Traditionalism has a serious problem, and that is the threat that the neo-SSPX leadership poses to its continuity.

With only 3 faithful bishops in the SSPX, who grow older by the day, there is a grave danger of that some sort of persecution or intimidation could quickly snuff out the bishops and their essential function for the continuation of the mass.

Hopefully two or three of the bishops will soon meet to consecrate 15-20 priests as new bishops, a new episcopal core that will serve the Church and help to ensure that the sacraments can reach the faithful.

I agree we need younger Bishops for the future but why 15-20 of them? I would have thought that the more people you have in positions of authority, the more possible division and splits later on down the track.

Columba · « **Reply #9 on:** July 21, 2012, 09:07:46 PM »

Quote from: obscurus

Quote from: Telesphorus
The sedevacantists groups are dogged by doubtful orders.

Traditionalism has a serious problem, and that is the threat that the neo-SSPX leadership poses to its continuity.

With only 3 faithful bishops in the SSPX, who grow older by the day, there is a grave danger of that some sort of persecution or intimidation could quickly snuff out the bishops and their essential function for the continuation of the mass.

Hopefully two or three of the bishops will soon meet to consecrate 15-20 priests as new bishops, a new episcopal core that will serve the Church and help to ensure that the sacraments can reach the faithful.

15-20 bishops!!

Then there could be a real danger of setting up a parallel hierarchy. Listen, I am against a practical agreement with Rome but we have to be careful in having a misguided zeal. Episcopal consecrations shouldn't be done lightly.

Previously I would have agreed with you but now the situation appears dire. The three loyal Lefebvre-Castro de Mayer bishops have an obligation not to let their line die out.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #10 on:** July 21, 2012, 09:07:55 PM »

Quote from: Zenith

I agree we need younger Bishops for the future but why 15-20 of them? I would have thought that the more people you have in positions of authority, the more possible division and splits later on down the track.

They are needed to help preserve valid orders. As for splits, those are going to happen, regardless of numbers.

magdalena · « **Reply #11 on:** July 21, 2012, 09:31:20 PM »

Quote from: Domitilla

Let us pray that +Tissier de Mallerais, +de Galarreta(sp), and +Williamson will band together and begin consecrating the necessary Bishops and priests who will remain faithful to the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church quickly. Now is the time for action!

Our help is in the Name of the Lord Who made Heaven and Earth

Lord Jesus Crucified, Have mercy upon us

Sweet Heart of Mary, be our salvation.

St. Pius X, pray for us.

Archbishop Lefebvre, pray for us.

Domitilla, What you say is very true.
Cor Jesu sacratissimum, ora pro nobis.

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #12 on:** July 21, 2012, 10:56:22 PM »

Quote from: obscurus

Quote from: Telesphorus
The sedevacantists groups are dogged by doubtful orders.

Traditionalism has a serious problem, and that is the threat that the neo-SSPX leadership poses to its continuity.

With only 3 faithful bishops in the SSPX, who grow older by the day, there is a grave danger of that some sort of persecution or intimidation could quickly snuff out the bishops and their essential function for the continuation of the mass.

Hopefully two or three of the bishops will soon meet to consecrate 15-20 priests as new bishops, a new episcopal core that will serve the Church and help to ensure that the sacraments can reach the faithful.

15-20 bishops!!

Then there could be a real danger of setting up a parallel hierarchy. Listen, I am against a practical agreement with Rome but we have to be careful in having a misguided zeal. Episcopal consecrations shouldn't be done lightly.

The only one concerned about a "parallel hierarchy" is + Fellay. As Bishop Tessier stated recently: "The Church is where the Faith is". I pray they consecrate several
bishops, starting with the ones that spoke out at the most critical time. I just hope that they are consecrated to do strictly the pre-Bugnini Missal. The SSPX has to dump the reform of the reform missal.

By the way, it's incredible that + Fellay would be asking for the 1962 Missal. Not only Rome can not be trusted but he has to know where that missal is going. That exclusive use of the 1962 missal was in the agreement with IBP and now, Rome is changing their agreement because they "have to be regulated by Summorum Pontificuм", if any of you read the last post on the thread on the 1962 Missal, know what I'm talking about. If not, please read it. It's an article written one year before SP came out. See who was behind it: The very enemies of Tradition.