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Offline Meg

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Re: The Thread of Threads
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2019, 06:18:11 AM »
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  • Well, since you are intent on dragging out of me that which I was content to let lay:

    Why would a blogger take precious time away from family hours, sacrificing for rebuilding another SSPX, when the grand poobah says "pack up your toys" and "hunker down," encourages liberal independence, discourages vocations, wants to do away with seminaries, etc. etc. etc?

    Eventually, after hundreds of articles and several years, it hits you: Bishop Williamson killed the Resistance, despite the consecrations:

    While speaking very well about the Roman problem, he nonetheless does all in his power to suppress the Resistance (despite the consecrations).

    What good are consecrations and bishops, if nonetheless, there will be no priests under them because seminaries are allegedly passe?  Vocations are discouraged.  Authority is shot (what a joke: Ever heard of the SSPX, showing authority in hyper-mode?).  Congregations are no longer possible (ahem: Ever heard of the 700 priest SSPX?).  The end is near!  Abandon all hope all ye who enter here!  All we can do is wait for the chastisement!

    Sorry, but that's all one big bunch of crap.

    Nevertheless, when the fence-sitter of 2013-2014 heard what +BW was pitching, they quickly left, and went back to the SSPX (where at least they would have some sense of normalcy, rather than the formless darkness Bishop Williamson was creating, er, discussing).

    So eventually, it occurs to you: The Resistance was hijacked.

    It is not today that which it was intended to be.

    It is not that which it was before Bishop Williamson joined it.

    It is no longer a contingency for a replacement SSPX (for the litany of excuses given for the morphing/hijacking).

    And finally, you reach the conclusion: Why continue to try to bolster a movement with these efforts, when those who outrank you are actively sabotaging?

    Today, it is only the religious congregations that offer any hope (SAJM, Avrille, Santa Cruz, MCSPX).  

    They had already seen the insanity that comes with a leaderless Resistance, from the USML debacle, and Providence raised up the SAJM and MCSPX (quite against the will of +BW, if the truth be known).  

    But to the point, eventually, you just realize you are fighting a losing battle, and wouldn't it be nice to smoke some fish, deer hunt, hit a baseball game, and do something more productive?

    I believe some former blogs and fora closed because of legal menaces.

    But for the most part, people realize that when there is no hope, there is no point.

    PS: I should add for clarity that I admire a good many things about +BW, and that I am on good terms with him, and support the independents insofar as they are worthy of support.  But I don't have much hope for a Resistance that is being led into the catacombs.

    Well said. It is indeed as if the Resistance believes that they are in the catacombs, and they must remain secret. Except that this forum is the opposite of that - because it supposedly supports the Resistance, and it's out in the open. Though, IMO, since it has so many post here who oppose the Resistance, I think that this forum does not, realistically speaking, really support the Resistance. 

    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: The Thread of Threads
    « Reply #16 on: May 26, 2019, 08:14:40 AM »
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  • Well said. It is indeed as if the Resistance believes that they are in the catacombs, and they must remain secret. Except that this forum is the opposite of that - because it supposedly supports the Resistance, and it's out in the open. Though, IMO, since it has so many post here who oppose the Resistance, I think that this forum does not, realistically speaking, really support the Resistance.



    1. What do you mean "so many post here who oppose the Resistance"? We don't have any Resistance haters here -- did I miss a few? And don't quote me "XavierSem" as an example -- he's harmless. Just like you can't quote "poche" as an example of why CathInfo isn't Trad. Ever heard of a "token _____" to keep things interesting?

    2. CathInfo most certainly does really support the Resistance. Not just tolerates it, nor does it give it "lip service", but actually gives it the first place and true support. Since this is your opinion (which is completely worthless I might add -- opinions are like armpits, everyone has one and it stinks), can you give a concrete example of how "realistically speaking" CathInfo doesn't REALLY support the Resistance? What would "REAL" support of the Resistance look like, which "isn't found here on CathInfo"? Are you looking for an echo chamber mini forum, or what? Does "real support", for you, mean banning every whisper of criticism against it?

    You say there are "so many" who oppose the Resistance, you make CathInfo sound positively hostile to the Resistance!

    But guess what? You won't find a bigger supporter of the Resistance than myself. I've been a fervent supporter from Day One. And I threw CathInfo into the ring with me to support the cause on Day One as well, as you can see for yourself by browsing past messages in this subforum. They go all the way back to May 2012.

    If CathInfo were truly a hostile environment, don't you think I'd have a bit of a problem with that? Don't you think I'd be getting out my ban hammer and going to town? Well I'll tell you right here: I would do just that. I'm not going to be constantly attacked and outnumbered on my own forum. That doesn't mean everyone on CI has to attend Resistance-affiliated Masses 100%. Many still attend the SSPX, usually for practical or pragmatic reasons. And we have members who attend all the other groups as well. And each member's opinion of the Resistance runs the whole gamut. But those with a visceral hatred for the Resistance? Those who seem to make it their apostolate or their mission to attack the Resistance? Good bye!

    That's why I don't start a pro-choice forum, an anti-Trump forum, or a Democrat forum. It just wouldn't work for me to be against the whole forum population.
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    Offline Mr G

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    Re: The Thread of Threads
    « Reply #17 on: May 26, 2019, 09:19:10 AM »
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  • Exactly. Which defies logic.
    If you are working for Christ the King and the restoration of His Church, then there should be no "cross-purpose".
    So if you all feel discouraged about the "Resistance" as a whole, then do not support the "whole" but support the groups and individuals that still hold onto the entire Catholic Faith and Morals without compromise. Always remember we are Catholic first and then we attach to the priests or groups that best helps us in  maintaining the entire Catholic Faith, but if they fail then we still go on with our work, however small it is, to promote the Catholic Faith and defend the rights of God.

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    Re: The Thread of Threads
    « Reply #18 on: May 26, 2019, 10:10:43 AM »
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  • Well said. It is indeed as if the Resistance believes that they are in the catacombs, and they must remain secret. Except that this forum is the opposite of that - because it supposedly supports the Resistance, and it's out in the open. Though, IMO, since it has so many post here who oppose the Resistance, I think that this forum does not, realistically speaking, really support the Resistance.
    Are you for real? See Matthew’s post above.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: The Thread of Threads
    « Reply #19 on: May 27, 2019, 04:44:35 AM »
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  • There is a book, it may be called "three rebels" or it may have a different title. It is about a young monk who was zealous for the faith and the rule. He spent his entire life trying to reform his monastery. He accomplished nothing. When he was old he found a zealous young monk and passed this work on to him. This monk spent his entire life trying to reform the monastery. When he was old he found a zealous young monk and passed this work onto him. He reformed the monastery. It took over 100 years.
    Now is not the time for hunting and fishing. The angel at Fatima asked the children "what are you doing?" "Pray, pray very much. ... offer prayers and sacrifices constantly to the Most High."
    We have to persevere in the fight for Christ the King.