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Re: The Thread of Threads
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2019, 11:17:57 PM »
But you have to admit, Sean, that Bishop Williamson doesn't impose his outlook or opinions on anyone.

He isn't angry or refusing to work with Bp. Faure or Bp. Zendejas because they are actively helping with a seminary in France. (Bp. Z was just there for Holy Week)

He isn't angry with Fr. Chazal for the MCSPX and seminary. He isn't angry with Bp. Zendejas for starting a small network of chapels with regular Mass schedules.

You have to distinguish, because some priests these days are like "my way or the highway!" so as soon as you disagree with them on anything, you automatically turn and head for the door, knowing you might as well head for the door before you're thrown out.

But Bp. Williamson isn't like that. He allows for a certain amount of disagreement on non-essential issues. He understands the difference between matters of Faith and matters of opinion or prudence, on which men may freely disagree.

And though Bp. Williamson himself has an apocalyptic outlook on the world, he nevertheless does his best to help the faithful remnant of SSPX exiles with Consecrations (3 bishops!), Confirmations, Correspondence with Catholics, Chalice Consecrations, Catholic Commentary on the modern world (Eleison Comments), and of course Charity. He does have a website, the St. Marcel Initiative.

I don't want to go to war about it.  

I'm just saying that +BW is recognized as the moral authority of the Resistance.  Even though he doesn't exert any hierarchical authority over it, he nevertheless is its elder statesman.  And I believe that most people heard his ideas, and weighed them against remaining in the SSPX, and opted for the latter.  I believe they did not accept his apocalyptic vision, but saw him creating one, and thought to themselves that they were better off with the lesser of the two evils where they were (i.e., SSPX).  That last point is objectively arguable, of course, but I think it explains the fizzling of the Resistance outside the 6 USA chapels of +BZ and worldwide generally.

In any case, it explains why some of those capable of writing no longer see the effort worth the diminishing returns.

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Re: The Thread of Threads
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2019, 11:22:49 PM »
In any case, it explains why some of those capable of writing no longer see the effort worth the diminishing returns.

If they grow weary of laboring in Our Lord's vineyard, fine. They can cause Him sadness by their lack of trust, laziness, and giving in to discouragement.

But in the end, what you stated above is just an excuse. You can argue it's a humanly understandable one, or a good one, but it's still an excuse. No one is forcing them to quit.

Because plenty of Catholics are laboring diligently, with perseverance, just fine with Bishop Williamson up there as the moral head or statesman as you put it. Bishop Williamson isn't stopping any of us.

If people find this or that excuse to stop laboring with Our Lord, or to stop carrying their cross with Him, that is between them and God. I consider it sad and disappointing, but it's their choice. We all have free will.

Some beginners in the spiritual life need milk, while others are ready for baby cereal, and still others are ready for meat. It's difficult to labor without excitement and other motivation-inspiring results -- but again that is how God works to mature us. Google "dark night of the soul".


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Re: The Thread of Threads
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2019, 11:37:43 PM »
Men will often grow fainthearted and weary, especially with prolonged exertion for months or years on end. So often they look for an external cause to justify or excuse their own weakness and lack of fortitude.

"It's my parents fault"
"It's the modern world's fault"
"It's the economy's fault"
"It's Trump's fault"
"It's Bishop Williamson's fault"

These people should man up and take responsibility for their actions, including any virtues they lack. 

Re: The Thread of Threads
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2019, 05:28:54 AM »
Men will often grow fainthearted and weary, especially with prolonged exertion for months or years on end. So often they look for an external cause to justify or excuse their own weakness and lack of fortitude.

"It's my parents fault"
"It's the modern world's fault"
"It's the economy's fault"
"It's Trump's fault"
"It's Bishop Williamson's fault"

These people should man up and take responsibility for their actions, including any virtues they lack.

I rather expected an answer like that.

But weariness has nothing to do with it.

Working at cross-purposes has everything to do with it.

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Re: The Thread of Threads
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2019, 06:12:37 AM »
Working at cross-purposes has everything to do with it.

Exactly. Which defies logic.