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Re: The Third Secret Of Fatima Goes Sede
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2017, 07:04:10 AM »
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  • Atila Guimaraes has gone into a Sherlockian mode. This is what he has come up with in trying to unscramble and decipher that "Third Secret": (Read his whole article here:  http://traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g33ht_Decipher.htm)

    Now I am going to reveal the third fragment of the secret;
     This part is the apostasy in the Church!

     Our Lady showed us a Church, but this was a
     Church of hell, and an individual who I describe as the 'holy
     Father' leading a multitude that was praising the devil,
     but there was a difference from a true holy Father, the gaze,
     this one had the gaze of evil.

     Then we saw the same Pope entering a Church,
     after some moments, but there is no way to describe the
     ugliness of that place, it looked like a gray cement fortress
     with broken angles and windows similar to eyes;
     it had a beak in the roof of the building.

     Next, we raised our eyes to Our Lady who
     said to us: You saw the apostasy in the Church.

     Because the dogma of the faith is not conserved in Rome, its authority
     will be removed and delivered to Fatima. The cathedra [or chair] of Rome will be
     destroyed and a new one built in Fatima.

     In the kingdom of John Paul II the cornerstone of Peter's tomb
     will be removed and transferred to Fatima.

     This letter can be opened by the holy Father, but it must be
     announced after Pius XII and before 1960.

     If 69 weeks after this order is announced, Rome continues its
     abomination, the city will be destroyed.

     Our Lady told us that this is written, [in] Daniel 9:24-25 and Matthew 21:42-44.
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    Re: The Third Secret Of Fatima Goes Sede
    « Reply #16 on: April 04, 2017, 09:04:42 PM »
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  • Atila Guimaraes has gone into a Sherlockian mode. This is what he has come up with in trying to unscramble and decipher that "Third Secret": (Read his whole article here:  http://traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g33ht_Decipher.htm)

             Now I am going to reveal the third fragment of the secret; This part is the apostasy in the Church!

              Our Lady showed us a Church, but this was a Church of hell, and an individual who I describe as the 'holy Father' leading a multitude that was praising the devil, but there was a difference from a true holy Father, the gaze, this one had the gaze of evil.

              Then we saw the same Pope entering a Church, after some moments, but there is no way to describe the ugliness of that place, it looked like a gray cement fortress with broken angles and windows similar to eyes; it had a beak in the roof of the building.

              Next, we raised our eyes to Our Lady who said to us: You saw the apostasy in the Church.

              Because the dogma of the faith is not conserved in Rome, its authority will be removed and delivered to Fatima. The cathedra [or chair] of Rome will be destroyed and a new one built in Fatima.

              In the kingdom of John Paul II the cornerstone of Peter's tomb will be removed and transferred to Fatima.

              This letter can be opened by the holy Father, but it must be announced after Pius XII and before 1960.

    If 69 weeks after this order is announced, Rome continues its abomination, the city will be destroyed.

     Our Lady told us that this is written, [in] Daniel 9:24-25 and Matthew 21:42-44.

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    SCRAMBLED TEXT:                          

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    I think good old Atila has done an outstanding job of making sense out of this quagmire.
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    The copy (translation and Portuguese) I saw at first had too many inconsistencies and confusions.
    The indentations were totally bothersome to me and made me think, "This must be a fake."
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    But his deciphered text actually makes sense. Plus, he has resolved the problem of what "turn of phrase" would have been difficult to understand without a keen familiarity with the colloquial way of speaking in Portugal. Atlia knows Portuguese very well, and his prowess at making connection with English as well as other languages would have made him capable of performing the obfuscation work that John XXIII apparently assigned to some unnamed Vatican linguist and falsifier. Now, instead of doing the dirty work of scrambling the letter, he's turning it around and UN-scrambling it.  
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    I don't see any problem with what he proposes here. I'll have to think about it for a few days, though. This isn't something to take lightly.
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    FROM THE SOURCE PAGE:


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    Trying to Decipher a Scrambled Message
    Atila S. Guimarães

    Encouraged by the verdict of a famed Spanish graphologist affirming the authenticity of the Sister Lucy’s handwriting in the “Third Secret’ of Fatima we posted in April 2010 on our website, I have returned to analyze it more carefully.

    Note: To follow this analysis in an easier way, print the larger text here

    I always had suspicions regarding the date April 1, 1944 (line 1), April Fools’ Day, which most probably should have been January 4, 1944, and by the ill-sounding expression “the Cathedral of Rome” (line 21), which to make sense should be “Cathedra or Chair of Rome” signifying the Holy See. Some days ago I started to scrutinize that “Third Secret” looking for more traces of a possible falsification.

    I found some and worked with them. It is the fruit of this labor that I pass on to my readers in this article.




    • If some falsifier entered the picture, he maintained the same number of lines and paragraphs as the original message of Sr. Lucy. He also kept the same words written by Sr. Lucy. Why would he do this? I will try to answer this question during my analysis.
    • If a falsification was made, it probably took place at the time of John XXIII, who was the Pope targeted to receive the message, open it and make it public. If we take the year of 1960 as a point of reference, we have a span of about 57 years between the falsification and today.
    • If a falsifier is present, he used a non-electronic photographic system of cutting and pasting pieces of her writings in a different order from the original. The goal of his alterations would be to maintain the same handwriting but scramble the meanings of some parts. I have no idea about the tools or the method he would have employed. I will just be analyzing the fruit of his work.
    • My work will be basically to try to undo what this falsifier would have done. So, I will also cut and paste – through a Photoshop program I use – the parts that I believe were shuffled or adulterated and post them in the places I think they should originally be. At the end of this article I will propose a new presentation of the “Third Secret” TIA posted.


    [MY COMMENT-- At that time (1960) before computers and word processors and Photoshop, etc., someone doing this work of espionage would not have been likely thinking of how technology will improve in the future, so his attention to such details that Attila has discovered and perceived may have been not worth considering in 1960. Therefore, Atila's ability to untangle the mess today would have been inconceivable to the person doing the job in those days. We are very fortunate to have Atila S. Guimarães to help us with this puzzle today.]


    Inconsistent indentations of the paragraphs 

    One of the first good impressions I had when reading this message is the discipline of Sr. Lucy's writing. Her handwriting is quite regular, possibly having a lined paper under her letter to orient her. She also made paragraphs with a very marked and consistent indentation, possibly also following that marked paper underneath.

    This style of indentation can be noticed in paragraphs one and two; then, suddenly, paragraph three lacks an indentation. The same indentation returns again in paragraphs four, five, six and seven. Paragraphs eight and nine also are not indented.

    The lack of indentation in the last two paragraphs can be easily explained: She was reaching the end of her letter and probably wanted to keep the message on a single page. So, she dispensed with the indentation and contracted her handwriting. This makes sense.

    But why didn’t she use indentation in paragraph three, when she was still at the beginning of her letter? It is difficult to imagine that she would be careless in a letter revealing a secret about the most important episode that happened in her life. Added to this, she was writing, under the command of the Bishop, a message to be delivered to the Pope. It is almost impossible to believe that she would be hasty or careless in the presentation of her letter.

    Considering this, I thought: Something looks strange to me in the unindented paragraph three. It could reveal the presence of a falsifier who introduced some texts and, for this reason, was obliged to eliminate the indentation and diminish the space between the words in that paragraph.

    With this suspicion in mind, I went on to check another oddity that appears in paragraph two.

    Empty spaces & poor grammar

    When I analyzed line 6, I saw that there is a large empty space after the word “louvando-o” [praising him]. Now then, the phrase of line 7 that starts with the word “mas” [but] appears to be another paragraph without indentation, but actually it is the continuation of line 6. Why would she leave this long space and continue the thought on a new line without indenting it? It makes no sense.

    A useful parallel observation: Throughout this message, Sr. Lucy’s “m” in lower case looks like a capital “M” for starting a word. It is a peculiarity of her handwriting. This can be noticed in line 4, the 3rd word – “mostrou-nos” [she showed us] – and in line 10, the 4th word and the last word – “mas” [but] and “modo” [way]. In line 16, the “m” in the 2nd word –“mas” – looks correct in lower case.

    So, whether we consider the first word “mas” in line 7 as written in upper case as coming after a period or in lower case as coming after a coma, it is the logical continuation of the phrase of line 6:

    line 4 - (indentation) Our Lady showed us the individual
    line 5 - who I describe as the 'holy Father' in front of a multitude
    line 6 - that was praising him. [STRANGE LONG EMPTY SPACE]
    line 7 - but there was a difference from a true Holy Father

    Therefore, a long space should not exist between the last word of line 6 and the first word of line 7. Since it exists, this conclusion seems indisputable: Someone deleted a part of line 6 and did not replace it with anything else.

    At this point, the hypothesis of a falsifier becomes much more probable.

    Another strong suspicion came to my mind looking at the words of line 6: “que estava louvando-o” [that was praising him]. In Portuguese the end of this phrase sounds awkward. Grammatically speaking the correct usage would be “que o estava louvando.”

    It is bad grammar in Portuguese to end a phrase with the pronoun “o.” Why would Sr. Lucy do this? She most probably had a good Portuguese, as I can surmise from her other writings. As a Brazilian, I have personally observed that in Portugal even the simple people speak and write a very good Portuguese.

    Therefore, this placement of the pronoun “o” seemed suspicious to me. If the hyphen in “louvando-o” [praising him] were removed, the pronoun “o” [him] would change its meaning and become the article “o” [the].

    For a falsifier, it would be a very simple matter to insert a small hyphen in “louvando-o.

    So, I deleted the hyphen and the phrase completely changed its meaning. Instead of the translation of lines 5 and 6 being “the ‘holy Father’ in front of a multitude that was praising him,” I found another meaning: “the ‘holy Father’ in front of a multitude that was praising the…” The what or whom?

    Something is missing here. It certainly looked as if the falsifier had inserted that little hyphen to hide the indirect object of the original phrase of Sr. Lucy.

    I searched for an indirect object that would fit into that incomplete phrase. I found it in line 8: The two words “do demônio” [of the devil] seemed superfluous. I translate lines 7 and 8 to make my point.

    line 7 - but there was a difference from a true Holy Father, his gaze
    line 8 - of the devil, this one had the eyes of evil.

    If I remove the words “do demônio” [of the devil] from the phrase above, it continues to perfectly express what Sr. Lucy wanted to say. So, I thought: These superfluous words could be the ones that the falsifier deleted from line 6 and moved to line 8. So, I placed the extra words in line 6 to see how they would read. I also deleted the neck of the "d " of "do" to make it "ao," because I suspected that the neck could also have been introduced.

    It became something terrible: “the ‘holy Father’ in front of a multitude that was praising the devil.” In Portuguese there is a nuance in the expression “em frente” that is not fully translated by the English equivalent “in front of.” It can also mean “leading.” So, the translation would be “the holy Father leading a multitude that was praising the devil.”

    line 5- Church of hell, and an individual who I describe as the 'Holy
    line 6- Father,' leading a multitude that was praising the devil.

    If this was the original text of Sr. Lucy, she made one of the most violent accusations against a Pope ever made in History. And if this accusation came from the Mother of God, then the Pope would be in serious trouble.

    If this was, indeed, the original message, it would clearly explain why John XXIII did not reveal this message and would have asked a falsifier to scramble it in a way that would be very difficult to decipher in case it were found.

    It also would explain the words of Card. Ottavianni, which I paraphrase: John XXIII ordered the Third Secret to bury the secret in a deep, deep well so that no one could ever find it. Metaphorically speaking, wouldn’t this scrambling of the original text be the “well” he mentioned?

    Rebuilding paragraph two

    Even after placing “ao demônio” in line 6, I saw that there was still an empty space. What could fill it appropriately? I searched for more superfluous words in the other parts of the message.

    In line 10, I found the word “Ygreja” [Church] used three times in a redundant way, entirely unnecessary for the idea to be clear.

    line 9 - Then, after some moments we saw the same Pope entering
    line 10 - a Church, but this Church was the Church of hell; there is no way

    There are too many repetitions of the word Church. Also, line 10 is very crowded and squeezed. So, I thought: Another insertion was made here; let me see from where it was taken. I started to look for a place where the word Church could fit well.

    I believe I found the right place in line 4. Let me explain.

    Line 4 was another awkward construction. It reads: “Nossa Senhora mostrou-nos uma vista do um inidivíduo.” Translated: "Our Lady showed us a view of the one individual"

    There are many mistakes in this construction. To say that someone shows a view of someone is a redundancy. That is why in our first redaction of the letter we translated the line as simply "Our Lady showed us the individual…"

    Also there is an error in the use of the articles:

    Further, “inidivíduo” [inidividual] is incorrectly spelled; it should be “indivíduo” [individual]. I absolutely do not believe that Sr. Lucy could have constructed that phrase or written “inidivíduo.” So, the falsifier introduced something in line 4 that was not in the original.

    I took out that ill-sounding expression and replaced it with part of the phrase that used the word Church three times.

    So, lines 4-5 became: “Nossa Senhora mostrou-nos uma Ygreja, mas esta era a Ygreja do inferno” [Our Lady showed us a Church, but this was the Church of hell],

    line 4- Our Lady showed us a Church, but this was the
    line 5 - Church of Hell, and an individual who I describe as the 'holy

    It makes much more sense, since some paragraphs later [line 15] Our Lady tells the children: “You saw the apostasy in the Church,” but the Church as an institution had not been mentioned.

    Thus, the whole paragraph two became more consistent. It now reads: “Our Lady showed us a Church, but this was a Church of hell, and an individual who I describe as the ‘holy Father’ leading a multitude that praised the devil, but there was a difference from a true holy Father, the gaze, this one had the eyes of evil.”

    line 4-Our Lady showed us a Church, but this was the Church of hell,
    line 5 - and an individual who I describe as the ‘holy
    Line 6 - Father’ leading a multitude that praised the devil,
    line 7 - but there was a difference from a true holy Father, the gaze,
    Line 8 - this one had the eyes of evil

    Therefore, to avoid mentioning that the children had seen the Church as an infernal institution with a Pope at its head who was making public praise of the devil, the falsifier made deletions and replacements.

    After these changes to paragraph two, the result was that paragraph three read better, becoming much less busy and allowing me to insert the same indentation used in the other paragraphs, giving more harmony and consistency to the presentation of the letter.

    These are the essential rearrangements I made. The others did not change the substance of the message; they do, however, present a better order.

    Inconsistency of topics in paragraph four

    At this point in my analysis, I had come to the conclusion that the entire message had been scrambled. So, I looked for other places were the falsifier had left traces of his action.

    Another bad impression came from the change of topics in paragraph four. Lines 14 - 16 of the falsified version reads:

    line 14 - Next, we raised our eyes to Our Lady who said to us,
    line 15 - You saw the apostasy of the Church, this letter can be opened by the Holy
    Line 16 - Father, but it must be announced after Pius XII and before 1960.

    It seems to me that the part that starts with “this letter can be…” was taken from other place and inserted in line 15 to deviate the attention of a possible reader. Actually, the recommendation about when to open the letter should be closer to the end, after Our Lady had drawn the consequences of her affirmation: “You saw the apostasy in the Church.”

    So, I kept this important declaration of the apostasy in the Church in one entire paragraph to highlight it and placed paragraphs six and seven, which describe the punishments for the apostasy, closer to it.

    After this, I inserted paragraph five, about the cornerstone of Peter’s tomb, which is another consequence of the apostasy. Since in this new paragraph the first letter of the word “esta” [this] was in lower case, I copied the upper case “E” of the first word of paragraph three “Então” [then] and pasted it over the “e” of the “esta.

    Then, I made a new paragraph with those words of Our Lady’s order to open the secret. It seemed to me that they belong there.

    I left the two last paragraphs without any change. They seemed well placed to me.

    The final deciphered version thus reads, line by line:

    Now I am going to reveal the third fragment of the secret;
    This part is the apostasy in the Church!

    Our Lady showed us a Church, but this was a
    Church of hell, and an individual who I describe as the 'holy
    Father' leading a multitude that was praising the devil,
    but there was a difference from a true holy Father, the gaze,
    this one had the gaze of evil.

    Then we saw the same Pope entering a Church,
    after some moments, but there is no way to describe the
    ugliness of that place, it looked like a gray cement fortress
    with broken angles and windows similar to eyes;
    it had a beak in the roof of the building.

    Next, we raised our eyes to Our Lady who
    said to us: You saw the apostasy in the Church.

    Because the dogma of the faith is not conserved in Rome, its authority
    will be removed and delivered to Fatima. The cathedra [or chair] of Rome will be
    destroyed and a new one built in Fatima.

    In the kingdom of John Paul II the cornerstone of Peter's tomb
    will be removed and transferred to Fatima.

    This letter can be opened by the holy Father, but it must be
    announced after Pius XII and before 1960.

    If 69 weeks after this order is announced, Rome continues its
    abomination, the city will be destroyed.

    Our Lady told us that this is written, [in] Daniel 9:24-25 and Matthew 21:42-44.
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    Unity in the adulterations

    As I reach the end of my analysis, I see that the falsifier had three principal goals in sight:


    Final considerations

    No one remains unpunished
    after trying to ridicule of Our Lady
    Another change I made was in line 1. I changed the date from 1/4/944 – April 1, 1944 – to 4/1/944 – January 4, 1944 – because in Portugal and Brazil the order of dates in letters is day/month/year.

    Why did the falsifier give the date of April 1 to his scrambled message? Most probably to discredit it as much as possible and make people believe that the whole history of Fatima is just a “story of children,” as Benedict XVI called it.

    In order to vindicate Our Lady, her message and Sr. Lucy, I am posting this analysis on the same date of April Fools' Day to make fools of those who want to ridicule Our Lady.

    God also knows how to use irony.

    Do I imagine that this is the complete deciphering of the message of Fatima and what I presented here is the true Third Secret?

    I just exposed what I believe to be wrong. The result is a text that makes much more sense than the docuмent we already had. If this is the real secret that Sr. Lucy wrote, I would be greatly honored to have brought it to light. If it is not, this analysis is meant to foment the debate in order to induce the real docuмent to come to light.

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    Re: The Third Secret Of Fatima Goes Sede
    « Reply #17 on: April 04, 2017, 09:21:40 PM »
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  • This is serious cloak-and-dagger stuff.

    The "Cathedral of Rome" is St. John Lateran.  That makes no sense in this letter.
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    Consider:
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    IF what Atlila has published here is really what took place and the deciphered text he proposes is the actual letter of Sister Lucia which is the Third Secret, THEN, just try to imagine the reaction of most Novus Ordo church-goers when they hear the news. They're going to accuse Atila of being a "conspiracy theorist." Alternatively, if the "news" doesn't make headlines, they're going to say we're getting fake news from unreliable sources and you can't believe everything you see anymore. I know one for example who will tell me, I'm sure, that HE EVEN ADMITS TO USING PHOTOSHOP!
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    If any of us are going to attempt to TELL them about this news, we had best be prepared for their accusations and heated rhetoric.
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    They're going to say, "You just don't believe the Pope, do you?" or "You must be sedevacantist." Because if we take issue with what was passed out as the "third secret" in A.D. 2000, we must "have an ax to grind" and we must just be "looking for something else to disbelieve," because we are not being "faithful" to the Holy See like good Catholics. Right?
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    Re: The Third Secret Of Fatima Goes Sede
    « Reply #18 on: April 04, 2017, 09:58:28 PM »
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    Our Lady told us that this is written, [in] Daniel 9:24-25 and Matthew 21:42-44.
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    What does Daniel 9:24-25 and Matthew 21:42-44 say?

    From the drbo.org website

    Daniel chapter 9:
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    [24] Seventy weeks are shortened upon thy people, and upon thy holy city, that transgression may be finished, and sin may have an end, and iniquity may be abolished; and everlasting justice may be brought; and vision and prophecy may be fulfilled; and the saint of saints may be anointed. [25] Know thou therefore, and take notice: that from the going forth of the word, to build up Jerusalem again, unto Christ the prince, there shall be seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks: and the street shall be built again, and the walls in straitness of times.

    NOTES:
    [24] Seventy weeks: Viz., of years, (or seventy times seven, that is, 490 years,) are shortened; that is, fixed and determined, so that the time shall be no longer.
    [25] From the going forth of the word: That is, from the twentieth year of king Artaxerxes, when by his commandment Nehemias rebuilt the walls of Jerusalem, 2 Esd. 2. From which time, according to the best chronology, there were just sixty-nine weeks of years, that is, 483 years to the baptism of Christ, when he first began to preach and execute the office of Messias.-- Ibid.
    [25] In straitness of times: angustia temporum: which may allude both to the difficulties and opposition they met with in building: and to the shortness of the time in which they finished the wall, viz., fifty-two days.


    Matthew chapter 21:
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     [42] Jesus saith to them: Have you never read in the Scriptures: The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner? By the Lord this has been done; and it is wonderful in our eyes. [43] Therefore I say to you, that the kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and shall be given to a nation yielding the fruits thereof. [44] And whosoever shall fall on this stone, shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it shall grind him to powder.
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    Re: The Third Secret Of Fatima Goes Sede
    « Reply #19 on: April 04, 2017, 11:44:02 PM »
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  • Here is a portion of an online article at the CFN website from a year ago. The colored portion in the middle has a little more meaning, it seems to me, in light of Atila's "diciphered text": 

    http://www.cfnews.org/page10/page104/socci_indictment_of_francis.html

    The reference to Romans 1:22-23 is memorable.

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    Lions and Tigers and Bears

                Under the heading “Disturbing Show,” Socci denounces the preposterous and scandalous ecological light show projected onto the façade of Saint Peter’s on no less than the Feast of the Immaculate Conception. Entitled Fiat Lux (Let there be Light), the show was “a mocking challenge and a parody of the Gospel in which the expression indicates the act of the Creator and then identifies the Light that is Christ who has come to illuminate the darkness.” 
                Replete with pictures of animals but devoid of even a hint of Christian symbolism, this spectacle represents a complete reversal of the message of the Gospel: “the world projects its light on the Church immersed in darkness. And in that show the Church receives the light of the world ( p. 1 3 9 ).” And as the world’s imagery was cast onto the basilica that stands at the heart of the Church, the light on the crèche in Saint Peter’s Square was extinguished because “the light of the Baby Jesus must never disturb the staging of the new ecological religion ( p. 139 ).”
                Here Socci points to a stunningly appropriate passage in Scripture, from the Epistle to the Romans: “For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. And they changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of the image of a corruptible man, and of birds, and of four-footed beasts, and of creeping things (Rom. 1:22-23).” And here yet another devastating assessment thrown at the feet of Francis:

                "But above all, Father Bergoglio [a reference to the Pope’s penchant for introducing himself thus], how is it possible that you do not notice and do not indicate other emergencies than those of the climate, or at least with equal insistence? The apostasy of entire peoples from the faith of the true God is not a drama that merits your most ardent appeals? The war against the family and against life? The neglect of Christ and the massacre of Christian communities? It seems that only the environment and other themes of the religion of political correctness merit your passion. 

                "A great French intellectual, Alain Finkielkraut, has described you as “Supreme Pontiff of the world journalistic ideology.” Is he wrong? Does he exaggerate?

                "In effect, in 'your' Church it seems that the themes of separating refuse and recycling take precedence over the tragedy of entire peoples who, in the turn of a few years, have abandoned the faith. You sound the alarm over “global warming” while the Church for two millennia has sounded it concerning the fire of Hell" (p. 142).

                From here, Socci launches into a discussion of the Message of Fatima and precisely its warnings about the loss of souls in Hell for all eternity. The Madonna of Fatima, he writes, “did not present the calculations of environmentalists on the climate of the planet, but caused the little children to see the eternal fire of Hell, and told them, sadly: ‘You have seen Hell, where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. Many souls go to Hell because they have no one to pray and make sacrifices for them.” 
                This, Socci continues, “is the real tragedy, Holy Father, the eternal perdition of multitudes. Not—if you will permit me—the loss of biodiversity, or at least not for us Christians. Yet you never speak of it. Rather, sometimes you almost induce the belief that everyone will be saved because ‘God does not condemn. (p. 142-143).’”
                Summing up his unconcealed contempt for the Pope’s preoccupation with global warming rather than the eternal fire of which Our Lady came to warn the world at Fatima, Socci writes:

                "Before the spiritual catastrophe of the eternal perdition of multitudes, which induced the mother of God to come earnestly to Earth, I find it frankly incomprehensible that you preoccupy yourself for the most part—as you did in your encyclical Laudato si —with biodiversity, the fate of worms and little reptiles, the lakes, and the abuse of plastic bottles and air-conditioning" ( p. 1 4 8 ).

    A Pope Who Doesn’t Like Catholics?

                Socci’s indictment next proceeds to the heading “Attack on the Faith,” a reference to enemies within the Church since Vatican II, whose subversion has been lamented (too little and too late) by every Pope since the Council, including Benedict XVI. It was Benedict who (during the Mass for the opening of the conclave that elected him) declared that today having “a clear and certain faith” is denounced as “fundamentalism.” Citing that testimony, Socci throws a series of gauntlets Francis’s feet:

                "I invite you, Father Bergoglio, to reread attentively these words because they describe dramatically what is occurring during your pontificate. In fact, it is precisely you personally, Holy Father, who accuse of 'fundamentalism' those who have a clear and certain faith and bear witness to their fidelity to Catholic doctrine….

                "You, curiously, are convinced that the danger for the Church of today is Christians fervent in their faith and those pastors who defend the Catholic creed. In your Evangelii gaudium you attack “some who dream of a monolithic doctrine” and those who “use a language completely orthodox.”

                "Should we then prefer those who are carried here and there by every ideology and use heretical language? Evidently yes, seeing that they are never attacked by you.

                "If one chooses any day, one will almost always find that you, in your discourse, attack those you call 'rigorists,' 'rigid,' that is, men with fervent faith, whom you identify with 'Scribes and Pharisees'" (p. 153-155).

                Socci does not mince words in addressing Francis’s well-known constant resort to a false antithesis between mercy and doctrinal rigor, citing one of the innumerable discourses in which Francis declares that so-called “doctors of the law,” who know doctrine well, are estranged from the mercy of God. “But you, Holy Father,” writes Socci:

                "should overcome your personal resentment toward those who have studied; you should know that, in the Christian horizon, it is completely absurd to oppose mercy to Truth, because both are incarnated in the same Jesus Christ. Thus it is false to oppose doctrine to the pastoral, because that would be to oppose the Logos (doctrine) to the Good Shepherd (the Truth made flesh): Jesus is the Logos (the Truth made flesh) and, at the same time, the Good Shepherd" (p. 159). 

                Socci also focuses on Francis’s justly infamous speech attacking his conservative opposition at the close of Synod 2016, wherein he blasted the prelates who had resisted having the pre-written, heterodox Instrumentum laboris shoved down their throats as “the Synod’s” final report. As Francis declared in that harangue, his opponents had:

                "… closed hearts that often hide even behind the teaching of the Church, or behind good intentions, to sit in the chair of Moses and judge, sometimes with superficiality and superiority, to judge difficult cases and wounded families…. 

                "The true defenders of doctrine are not those who defend the letter but the spirit; not the idea but the man; not the formula, but the gratuitous love of God and of his pardon." 

                Here we see the umpteenth example of Francis’ penchant for the false antithesis: the letter versus the “spirit” of doctrine; the idea versus the man; the “formula” versus the love of God and his pardon. But there is no opposition at all between these concepts; in fact, they are inseparable.
                Socci has had quite enough of the past three years of this sort of Modernist sophistry, and he fires with both barrels:

                "So doing, do you not think that you have disqualified your predecessors and all the Magisterium of the Church, in order to affirm your strictly personal concept of mercy different from the doctrine of the Church?...

                "Evidently, even Jesus would have been, according to you, doctrinaire, a rigorist, one who defends the idea instead of the man.

                "In effect—applying your criterion—we would have to say that Jesus would not have been accepted to a seminary during your pontificate because he was the most fundamentalist of all; in fact, not only was he certain of the truth, but he proclaimed himself the Truth made flesh ('I am the way, the truth, and the life.' Jn 14,6)."
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    The praise of the devil referred to in this diciphered text is environmentalism and global warming raised to the status of a religion in which moral depravity, impurity and blasphemy of the sacraments and Our Blessed Mother are ignored. 
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    Re: The Third Secret Of Fatima Goes Sede
    « Reply #20 on: April 04, 2017, 11:52:12 PM »
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  • After the original text was tampered with and put away, John XXIII may have believed that he could then say, "these are the words of Sister Lucy," when yes, they are her words, but their order have been mixed up, and tiny jots and tittles have been added or taken away, so as to change the entire meaning of the whole.

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    Furthermore, remember that there is no way that Sister Lucia would ever have been allowed to see the hidden copy of the letter she had written long ago. So they could have corrupted it, and then not allowed her to see it, so she could not have the opportunity to KNOW that it had been altered. If she did not know it, she would not have been able to mention it to anyone, even close family members who came to see her.

    Even if she really did survive until at least 1990, as Fr. Gruner explains in his interviews, her existence was very much controlled and it is possible that some other woman, perhaps even a nun, was used as a double to pretend in public that it was her. 
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  • It would make sense that if they could purloin her letter they could just as well impostor her person.
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    If so, the Church has led the way on Fake News. 

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    Then we saw the same Pope entering a Church, 
    after some moments, but there is no way to describe the 
    ugliness of that place, it looked like a gray cement fortress 
    with broken angles and windows similar to eyes; 
    it had a beak in the roof of the building. 





    Those nets overhead look like spider webs with dead bugs in them.
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    Maybe those are like lost souls?

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    Re: The Third Secret Of Fatima Goes Sede
    « Reply #23 on: May 12, 2017, 03:03:28 AM »
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  • This is an update published by TIA:


    http://traditioninaction.org/Questions/B965_Begona.html

    Spanish Handwriting Expert Speaks
    on the Third Secret

    From La Coruña to Los Angeles



    Dear Mr. Guimarães,

     I am sending the post I published that has an interview with the handwriting expert Begoña Slocker de Arce, which may be of interest to you. It is preceded by some of my considerations.

     The important thing is to know that the Secret is gradually gaining greater interest and becoming known.

          Yours sincerely,

          Moimunan

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     The Editor responds:

     Dear Mr. Moimunan,

     I thank you very much for sending me both your comments and the interview granted by Begoña Slocker de Arce to José Maria Zabala. They are precious docuмents to confirm the authenticity of the Third Secret we posted in 2010.

     TIA translated them to English and is posting them below for the benefit of our readers on this eve of the 100th anniversary of the first apparition of Our Lady in Fátima.

          Cordially,

          Atila S. Guimarães

     
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    Good Reasons to Believe in the Secret's Authenticity

     Moimunan



    In an interview in El Semanal Digital [The Weekly Digital], the author of the book The Best Kept Secret of Fatima, José Maria Zabala asked Begoña Slocker de Arce about her analysis that he published in full in the last chapter of his book. (The rest of his book does not deal with this theme – that is, the authenticity of the Secret that had already been published on April 27, 2010, by the website Tradition in Action – but rather the more or less known and controversial generalities about Fatima and the Third Secret in particular).
     
     The publication of Zavala's book, on the officially chosen date of March 21 of this year, has been informative and a potential bomb that should become a benchmark in the future. Indeed, in the Secret it is said verbatim "If 69 weeks after this order is announced, Rome continues its abomination, the city will be destroyed."

     The question would be to know precisely the time "from which" the 69 weeks should begin to be counted. In the recent past some (including myself, with doubts) believed that this date would have been April 27, 2010, when the photograph of the Secret appeared on the Tradition in Action site. But in reality, it must be said that the Secret says that "this order is announced," and the question comes to mind whether that date would be that of the publication of the photograph of the Secret on a website with rather limited repercussions. Should it be taken as the starting point of the countdown to the terrible "prophesied" disaster? As I said, I believed then that it could be so.

     But, the passing of time revealed that this was not the case. Actually, one thing is the appearance of the photograph of the Secret on the Internet; another thing is to say "this order is announced." So now, we return to the same question: Could the starting point of the countdown be the publication of a book that has had more media reverberations than its mere appearance on the Internet? But does this suffice to say that the Secret has been announced?

     Of course, every day the Secret is having more repercussions in the media, as we can gather below. But is it enough to say that "the order has been announced?" (I think the word "order" could be a cryptic reference to Daniel's prophecy of 69 weeks. In the translation of some Bibles at least, the word "order" is used.) In fact, in addition to the immediate publication in Amor de la Verdad of this news in the post "Confirmed: The authenticity of the Third Secret of Fatima" (three days after the publication of the book), it was also published previously in the blog of the well-known Vaticanist Marco Tosatti.



    The Secret, Zavala's book and the interview with Slocker is also discussed in the blog Acta Apostaticae Sedis. There are references to the vaticanist Roberto de Mattei who, without denying the Secret posted in the blog of Tosatti, now authenticated, simply states, "I am not going to enter into the problem of the Third Secret. It seems to me that what we know is even more impressive." A nice way to shrug it off and speak in generalities, not daring to register the simple fact: The Secret has been authenticated by an eminent "handwriting expert." He also cites the words "Penance, penance, penance" in the Vatican Secret as if he were to continue to treasure the discredited Secret published by the Vatican in 2000 – for example, discredited by Socci in his book The Fourth Secret.

     I believe it is one more way to resist the facts and cling to theories that are very beautiful, but that perhaps have no basis in the facts.

     Nonetheless, since that date there have been articles published on the topic like those on Tradition in Action, especially the very important one written by the editor of that site that claims – in my opinion, successfully – to have deciphered the Secret and restored it to its original state by returning some words to their original position. Based on it, we endorsed that article in the post presenting what the author calls a deciphered reading of the Secret.

     Perhaps some may ask why we have these confusions and deciphered letters. These are the facts: A photograph of the possible Third Secret was published on the Internet, without knowing the source of who sent it and why he did so. Further, we must note something important that perhaps many are not aware of: The photograph had also been published a week before April 27 in Spanish on an American site that is clearly anti-Catholic, heretical, and perhaps atheist and gnostic, which published something perfectly blasphemous and heretical that in itself discredits the Catholic Faith.

    In fact, this site titled Fatima Movement, which seems to be supported by Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, posted the following barbarous proposition: "The Virgin Mary is God and a Person of the Holy Trinity." But, the Secret cannot have been created by this site precisely because it is impossible for anyone to have made the handwriting of the Secret so perfectly that it could pass the rigorous test of an expert handwriting analysis like the one done in Spain recently.

     With this, the puzzle pieces fit together. My hypothesis – without proof, but plausible – is this: Someone anonymously sends the ALTERED Secret (moving around words with a technique similar to photoshop). The alteration raises skepticism in the reader with good faith. This Secret is also published on a traditionalist (but not sedevacantist) Catholic website, which is strongly critical of the current Roman See, widely spread in the USA. A few days before, it is also published, albeit altered, on a Masonic site that seeks to discredit the Catholic Faith by promoting that the Virgin Mary is God and a Person of the Holy Trinity (remember the Protestant saying "Catholics adore Mary").

     All this serves to discredit the real Secret and a true understanding of Fatima (before the publicized modernist understanding of the Vatican). With all this, in passing, the fake Vatican Secret of the year 2000 is reinforced – at a time when it was in question for its obvious failures.

     But the question is: Who has been the author of this somewhat Machiavellian operation? The answer, in my opinion, is this: The only one who could do it is one who was custodian of it in the Vatican. And he was also the one who has benefited from all this mess because his "theological declaration" guaranteed the false Secret published by the Vatican in the year 2000. The proof of the nine is to check if this person has been characterized in the past by a cunning and duplicity like this in yet other matters, in similar operations (Mass of 1962 to be recognized as extraordinary). Capisci? [Do you understand (that he is Ratzinger – NDR)?] Bingo!

     Moreover, no one could say that all the Vatican Council heads have hidden the Third Secret. He can truthfully say: "I have published it." Is this a conspiracy theory? This can only be said by those who are so blind that they do not believe in the cօռspιʀαcιҽs in our present world. Especially in the matter of Fatima, and for many reasons, as the readers of this blog well know.

     This being said, I go on to present the very interesting interview of Zavala with Begoña Slocker de Arce, who, as you know, was the handwriting analysis expert, who has definitively judged – supported by colleagues and eminent personalities in the field – that the hand that wrote this Third Secret is the same one that in 1941 wrote the first and second Secrets recorded in the Third Memoir of Fatima. That person is Lucía dos Santos.

     And if you do not like that this is a confirmed fact. Well, then, c'est a vous, it's up to you to explain the facts in a better way. It would not be honorable for you to just shrug it off and confine yourself to "despise what you do not know."


     
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    The Third Secret of Fatima:
     Interview with the Analyst Who Confirmed its Authenticity

     José María Zavala



    She is one of the most renowned handwriting experts in Spain and abroad. Begoña Slocker de Arce, a consultant [forensic docuмent analyst] for Courts of Justice, has studied one of the most important docuмents in the History of the Church – the supposed unrevealed Third Secret of Fatima – in this year of 2017 that celebrates the 100th year anniversary of the May 13 apparition.

     Her impeccable 24-page report, which is fully reproduced in my book The Best Kept Secret of Fatima, whose fourth edition the Grupo Planeta is already preparing for release in just one month, makes a surprising conclusion: Sister Lucia de Fatima wrote a docuмent, until now almost unknown [published here], in which the Virgin prophesies the apostasy in the Church starting from the very top, and the existence of a Pope under the control of Satan. Below follows an interview with Slocker de Arce:


    Handwriting expert Begoña Slocker de Arce
    Question: Did you have knowledge about the Fatima apparitions of Fatima that could have influenced you in preparing your report?

     Answer: Like anyone educated in a Catholic school, I knew about the apparition of the Virgin to the little shepherds, but had no other information that could have interested me over the years. That is why I was under no influence whatsoever in undertaking this work, whether in favor of its [the letter's] authenticity or against it. I warned you of this presupposition from the beginning and you agreed without putting conditions.

     Q. As a well-known handwriting expert both inside and outside of Spain, did you ever fear that your report on the unrevealed Third Secret of Fatima might in some way affect your untarnished reputation?

     A: When I learned that my analysis would be published in full, I had a moment of fear when I realized that it was going to be examined under magnifying glasses by experts of all kinds, coming under the judgment of professional colleagues. But, I also knew that, after having carried out my analysis rigorously and honestly, they [the other analysts] could add little to the arguments I set out in it. The data I give are correct regarding the study of a comparison. In fact, I have only received words of congratulation for my prudence based on comparative data.

     Q: How many years have you been practicing your profession? Where did you study and who were your best teachers? When and why did you decide to start your own graphology center?

     A: I have been practicing the profession of graphologist-handwriting expert for more than 25 years. My father, Luis Pérez Slocker, was a graphologist and handwriting expert since 1954; he was a student of Maite Ras, who introduced this science in Spain. It was my father who advised me to get my degree at the Spanish Society of Graphology under the teacher Mauricio Xandró, who died two years ago, the last of a generation of great teachers like Augusto Vels, Max Pulver (Switzerland), Rafael Shermann (Germany) and Matilde Ras, who introduced Graphology in Spain. I say Graphology, because the Handwriting Analysis is one branch of it. Let me add that in a handwriting analysis, graphology is not used. The Graphological Center was founded because, as the work increased along with the number of specialties in this science, I had to separate it by areas and, then, set out the different specialties and find qualified professionals for each one.

     Q: Can you name one of the most famous issues that has required your intervention as an expert?

     A: My professional secrecy does not permit to speak about things I have done. For me, each case is the most important and, once done, the only thing that matters to me is to be confident about what I did - either for the good or the bad - according to my professional ethics.

     Q: What made you finally decide to face the difficult challenge of verifying the authenticity of a docuмent of such importance?

     A: I had already participated with you in another of your books, in which you showed your respect for my work, not changing a comma of the report that I made for Las mentiras de ZP [The lies of ZP] on the personality of José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, where I affirm that he does not lie, but that he believes in his own lies. This gave me confidence in you, because I knew that you would not manipulate my analysis. And indeed, it has not been done in this case: My analysis is exactly as I gave it to you.


    José Maria Zavala showing his book
    The Best Kept Secret of Fatima
    Q: Why are you so sure that the docuмent of the unrevealed Third Secret of Fatima was written, like the first two secrets, by the same hand of Sister Lucia?

     A: So sure? I only know that my work is done with rigor, with all the knowledge I have placed at the service of the analysis. I think it is impossible to write two identical letters, since we have life, movement and this is what causes the writing of the same person to have certain differences when writing the same letter. We also have personal characteristics that come from our unconscious and that are impossible for another writer to reproduce. Speed is very important because it is very difficult to imitate the slant, the cohesion... These are characteristics that a counterfeiter cannot maintain in more than six consecutive lines because the unconscious part betrays him and the hand movement obeys the brain – not our intentions. The docuмent we have studied is a clear case where all these factors are positive, never with sufficient differences to doubt its authenticity.

     Q: Are there other renowned experts like you who support your conclusion? Who are they?

     A: After I finished working with my usual team, to which Lorena Gilaranz, an analyst for the courts of justice, belongs, I went to two of the most prestigious experts, my colleagues, who approved it. I also received the support of the Spanish Society of Graphology.

     Q: Did it take you many hours to produce your large report? What process was followed? Did it require anyone's help?

     A: The analysis was arduous, since we were working with letters from another time. We examined each one of them to recognize the changes in both docuмents. We worked on the analysis day and night until it was delivered, making it clear that the result was not influenced by my reputation or any other area. As I say in the report, other types of tests could be made on the originals [if they were known], which in my opinion would only reinforce what I have presented following my knowledge and understanding.

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    Re: The Third Secret Of Fatima Goes Sede
    « Reply #24 on: May 12, 2017, 07:40:21 PM »
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  • A lot of information to absorb here.
    I see I'll be reading this closely.

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    Re: The Third Secret Of Fatima Goes Sede
    « Reply #25 on: May 13, 2017, 11:02:05 PM »
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    it looked like a gray cement fortress
    Was Sister Lucia familiar with cement when this letter was allegedly written? Was cement a building material she would be in knowledge of?
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    Re: The Third Secret Of Fatima Goes Sede
    « Reply #26 on: May 13, 2017, 11:18:49 PM »
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  • Was Sister Lucia familiar with cement when this letter was allegedly written? Was cement a building material she would be in knowledge of?
    I'd say yes. According to Wikipedia: The word "cement" can be traced back to the Roman term opus caementicium, used to describe masonry resembling modern concrete that was made from crushed rock with burnt lime as binder. The volcanic ash and pulverized brick supplements that were added to the burnt lime, to obtain a hydraulic binder, were later referred to as cementum, cimentum, cäment, and cement. In modern times, organic polymers are sometimes used as cements in concrete.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

    +RIP 2024

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    That piece of paper is as phony as...
    « Reply #27 on: May 14, 2017, 06:49:33 PM »
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  • a three dollar bill.

    Guys, look at the margins.  Notice that each paragraph is indented on a straight parallel line and that all the lines of text are perfectly straight.  You ain't going to sell me in twenty zillion bijillion years that that is not a computer printout.  Nobody on earth writes that perfectly unless they are being guided by the hand of an angel.

    The text is laughable.  It shows no continuity with the previous parts of the secret.  The words "In Portugal..." are missing, as are the words "in the end My Immaculate Heart will Triumph".

    Now, let's carpet bomb this fakery line by line...


           "Now I am going to reveal the third fragment of the secret; This part is the apostasy in the Church! "
    The original secret was not divided into parts.  If this line was logical, then, after the vision of hell Our Lady would have said "And now I am going to show you the second part of the secret..."  The dividing of the secret into parts was done somewhat arbitrarily by the postulators of Fatima.  It only became part of the Fatima nomenclature in the mid-'50's.

             "Our Lady showed us a Church, but this was a Church of hell, and an individual who I describe as the 'holy Father' leading a multitude that was praising the devil, but there was a difference from a true holy Father, the gaze, this one had the gaze of evil."
    While I agree that Pope Frantic and Pope Benedict both have "the gaze of evil", I find it hard for Our Lady to indicate that this "holy father" was leading a multitude in praising the devil.  I would think Our Lady would simply state something similar to what she said at La Salette: "Rome has lost the Faith and this is Antichrist..."  The sentence is too wordy for a Fatima event.  Notice that the material chastisement is cover by the simple phrase: "Various nations will be annihilated..."

              "Then we saw the same Pope entering a Church, after some moments, but there is no way to describe the ugliness of that place, it looked like a gray cement fortress with broken angles and windows similar to eyes; it had a beak in the roof of the building."
    This sentence is way too wordy and also redundant.  It adds nothing to the previous sentence.  This is most unlike the previous part of the secret that we empirically know.

              "Next, we raised our eyes to Our Lady who said to us: You saw the apostasy in the Church."
    I suppose the bad grammar may be the translator's fault.  But once again this sentence is redundant.  It adds nothing to the narrative.  If the "holy father" is praising the devil in "the church of hell" we can be pretty darned sure we are seeing apostasy. ;D

              "Because the dogma of the faith is not conserved in Rome, its authority will be removed and delivered to Fatima. The cathedra [or chair] of Rome will be destroyed and a new one built in Fatima."
    Oh boy is this off the wall.  :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:.  Now we have Our Lady giving either a prophecy for a pope to fulfill or orders in lieu of a vacant chair of Peter. This is getting as silly as the false secret of La Salette, where Our lady describes the birth of Antichrist.  Some expletives from Dr McCoy might be apropos here, but I'll refrain. 

              "In the kingdom of John Paul II the cornerstone of Peter's tomb will be removed and transferred to Fatima." 

              "This letter can be opened by the holy Father, but it must be announced after Pius XII and before 1960."
    Now we are way into sillyland.  These lines are obviously playing off the statement of WW2 breaking out in the reign of Pius XI.  Why does it have to be announced after Pius XII??  Is that because Pius XII was somehow "good pope" and his successors "bad popes"??  PLEASE don't get me started on that one.  For all you Pius XII fans out there, just two tidbits... Fr Bea was this man's spiritual director for years, and Pius XII actually painted this picture of Bishop Carroll and G Washington holding hands in building the USA... :facepalm: :facepalm: and I could go on and on as to how this liberal was tearing Holy Mother Church apart, especially from 1947 on, while Good Pope John was in many ways an improvement... actually putting Valtorta on the index was most welcome at the time...
          I will agree that Sr Lucia saw something special about 1960.  One can definitely see a difference in Hollywood productions from 1959 to 1961, to say nothing of what was happening to "music". 

    If 69 weeks after this order is announced, Rome continues its abomination, the city will be destroyed.
    I suppose Romans would be best off heading for the hills in any case, as should anybody in any metropolitan area on the face of the earth.  When the SHTF the average Joe is going to have the life expectancy of Foghorn Leghorn (the Rooster) surrounded by a pack of timber wolves.

     Our Lady told us that this is written, [in] Daniel 9:24-25 and Matthew 21:42-44.

    Okay, just for kicks, here is Daniel:

    24]Seventy weeks are shortened upon thy people, and upon thy holy city, that transgression may be finished, and sin may have an end, and iniquity may be abolished; and everlasting justice may be brought; and vision and prophecy may be fulfilled; and the saint of saints may be anointed. [25] Know thou therefore, and take notice: that from the going forth of the word, to build up Jerusalem again, unto Christ the prince, there shall be seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks: and the street shall be built again, and the walls in straitness of times.

    Fans of Daniel know that this prophecy refers to King Cyrus of Persia conquering Babylon and allowing the Jews to return to Palestine.  The weeks are weeks of years (7 years per week)  and if you count across 70 weeks of years you come up with- bingo!- 490 years from the reign of King Cyrus to the birth of Christ.  Our hero probably wanted these words of Daniel:

    [11] And it was magnified even to the prince of the strength: and it took away from him the continual sacrifice, and cast down the place of his sanctuary. [12] And strength was given him against the continual sacrifice, because of sins: and truth shall be cast down on the ground, and he shall do and shall prosper.

    This prophecy refers to the Antichrist (or false prophet aka Pope Frantic- could be) having power to suppress the Latin Mass.  And we sure as shooting are seeing "truth cast down to the ground",  just consider Donald Duck's campaign and his "presidency".  And just consider some of the "encyclicals" of Pope Frantic.

    Now, Matthew:

    [42] Jesus saith to them: Have you never read in the Scriptures: The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner? By the Lord this has been done; and it is wonderful in our eyes. [43] Therefore I say to you, that the kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and shall be given to a nation yielding the fruits thereof. [44] And whosoever shall fall on this stone, shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it shall grind him to powder.

    This does not refer to the end times, but refers to the Covenant being transferred from the Jews to St Peter and the Apostles.

    This verse would be more appropriate:

    "When therefore you shall see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place: he that readeth let him understand."
    [Matthew 24:15]

    'nuff said.

    Our Lady of Fatima, Pray for us, you are our only hope.