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Offline Jehanne

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The SSPXs dishonest critique of the new Catechism.
« on: May 28, 2014, 06:43:15 AM »
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  • Look at the date:

    http://archives.sspx.org/New_Catechism/new_catechism__is_it_catholic_part_1.htm

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    A commentary by Fr. Michel Simoulin and published in the March 1994 issue of The Angelus.


    The new English edition of the Catechism, with corrections, was not published until 1997:

    http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/aposletr.htm

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    I therefore strongly urge my Venerable Brothers in the Episcopate, for whom the Catechism is primarily intended, to take the excellent opportunity afforded by the promulgation of this Latin edition to intensify their efforts to disseminate the text more widely and to ensure that it is well received as an outstanding gift for the communities entrusted to them, which will thus be able to rediscover the inexhaustible riches of the faith. Through the harmonious and complementary efforts of all the ranks of the People of God, may this Catechism be known and shared by everyone, so that the unity in faith whose supreme model and origin is found in the Unity of the Trinity may be strengthened and extended to the ends of the earth. To Mary, Mother of Christ, whose Assumption body and soul into heaven we celebrate today, I entrust these wishes so that they may be brought to fulfillment for the spiritual good of all humanity. From Castel Gandolfo, August 15, 1997, the nineteenth year of the Pontificate.


    If the SSPX wants to critique the new Catechism, great!  But at least they should be honest enough to use the current and official translation and not some draft which everyone agrees was poorly translated.  Finally, the SSPX needs to stop cherry-picking paragraphs from the new Catechism, which states that it should be treated as a unified whole:

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    18 This catechism is conceived as an organic presentation of the Catholic faith in its entirety. It should be seen therefore as a unified whole. Numerous cross-references in the margin of the text (numbers found at the end of a sentence referring to other paragraphs that deal with the same theme), as well as the analytical index at the end of the volume, allow the reader to view each theme in its relationship with the entirety of the faith.


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    The SSPXs dishonest critique of the new Catechism.
    « Reply #1 on: May 28, 2014, 07:48:23 AM »
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  • Setting aside the failures of SSPX analysis, even the corrected version of the CCC remains as a cabalistic tome, and as such, it is certainly a unified whole, an effective vehicle by which to transmit heretical and un-Catholic ideas.

    A very dangerous book.


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    « Reply #2 on: May 28, 2014, 07:54:03 AM »
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  • Jehanne, are you going back to the Novus Ordo?
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    « Reply #3 on: May 28, 2014, 08:39:21 PM »
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    Setting aside the failures of SSPX analysis, even the corrected version of the CCC remains as a cabalistic tome, and as such, it is certainly a unified whole, an effective vehicle by which to transmit heretical and un-Catholic ideas.

    A very dangerous book.


    Then name a single error but post the entire paragraph.

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    « Reply #4 on: May 28, 2014, 08:40:25 PM »
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    Jehanne, are you going back to the Novus Ordo?


    I consider myself a sededoubtist, but, please, do not derail this thread.


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    « Reply #5 on: May 28, 2014, 08:45:09 PM »
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  • Neo-Feeneyite Novus Ordoism?

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    « Reply #6 on: May 28, 2014, 08:54:39 PM »
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    Neo-Feeneyite Novus Ordoism?


    I have been on this message board now for almost five years, and while I have not posted continuously, I haven't a clue what people mean when they use the terms "Feeneyism," "Feeneyite," etc.  I've asked people to define those terms and no one, to date, has been able to do so.

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    « Reply #7 on: May 28, 2014, 09:05:47 PM »
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    Neo-Feeneyite Novus Ordoism?


    I have been on this message board now for almost five years, and while I have not posted continuously, I haven't a clue what people mean when they use the terms "Feeneyism," "Feeneyite," etc.  I've asked people to define those terms and no one, to date, has been able to do so.


    Cantarella has been diagnosed with the maladie, perhaps she can shed some light on it for you?


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    « Reply #8 on: May 28, 2014, 09:12:08 PM »
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    Neo-Feeneyite Novus Ordoism?


    I have been on this message board now for almost five years, and while I have not posted continuously, I haven't a clue what people mean when they use the terms "Feeneyism," "Feeneyite," etc.  I've asked people to define those terms and no one, to date, has been able to do so.


    Cantarella has been diagnosed with the maladie, perhaps she can shed some light on it for you?


    Nice try, but I don't think so.  You can't define the term(s), can you?  In fact, I don't think that you have even read Father Feeney's The Bread of Life nor any other writing by any of his followers.  But, please, do not derail this thread.

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    « Reply #9 on: May 28, 2014, 09:18:14 PM »
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  • Matthew, is it time to boot the Neo-Feeneyite Novus Ordoist trolls?

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    « Reply #10 on: May 28, 2014, 09:30:58 PM »
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  • What a strange combination of sects. The Feenyite with the Novus Ordo is like the Mormons joining the Jehovahs witness.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


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    « Reply #11 on: May 28, 2014, 09:33:46 PM »
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  • I am not a troll; I've been on this board for nearly 5 years, which you can verify just by looking at my profile.  So, if you would, please stick to the OP.

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    « Reply #12 on: May 28, 2014, 09:36:29 PM »
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    What a strange combination of sects. The Feenyite with the Novus Ordo is like the Mormons joining the Jehovahs witness.


    Then you must be a dogmatic sede, a position completely unheard of prior to Vatican II.  Father Feeney died in full communion with the Holy See (that is, Pope Paul VI) and was given a public Mass of Christian Burial by his Bishop.  He was, by the way, one of the first clergy to celebrate the Tridentine Mass exclusively, unlike Archbishop Lefebvre, who himself celebrated the Novus Ordo Mass for nearly 18 months before abandoning it.  By the way, Archbishop Lefebvre even signed all 16 docuмents of the Second Vatican Council.

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    « Reply #13 on: May 28, 2014, 09:43:26 PM »
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  • You claim to not be a troll; then you insist on attacking the founder of the SSPX of whom this subforum is titled.

    Lies....
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #14 on: May 28, 2014, 10:10:22 PM »
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  • Quote from: Centroamerica
    You claim to not be a troll; then you insist on attacking the founder of the SSPX of whom this subforum is titled.

    Lies....


    Citing historical facts is not a lie.  How could such ever be a lie?

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/archbishop_lefebvre_signed_every_one_of_vatican_iis_docuмents/

    P.S.  Archbishop Lefebvre also gave the Holy Eucharist to Brother Francis:

    http://catholicism.org/feeney-doctrine.html