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Offline wisconsheepgirl

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« on: May 21, 2012, 11:03:56 AM »
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  • This is a very serious question that I pose. I am not one that believes in filing suits against people, organizations. I think in general it is immoral. However here is a case where I believe it may be our only action if/when the regularization occurs.

    The situation here where I live is that my husband's family along with two others about 20 or so years ago purchased a chapel for the SSPX and it was then donated to them. My husband's family purchased the pastoral home next to the chapel over 15 years ago. ALL of the parishioners have purchased the school, which is not in use.

    The pastoral home was paid off in 2006 and donated from my father-in-law to the SSPX. We have supported our priests in all ways neccessary for him to do his duties and frankly we have no qualms against any of those that we've been fortunate enough to have for our mission chapel.

    Our issue is the property that we have purchased and then donated, both the chapel, land, and home. The discussion on the dinner table for all of us in the family (and not speaking with those original two other families) was--is this property that we happily gave for the continuation of this ministry of the SSPX going to Rome? We would presume the answer is yes.

    Based only on the 'rumor' --we have to call it that as nothing truly concrete LEGALLY has been stated--but let's go with common sense. We feel that we have been a victim of fraud.  The fraud is that we as a entity purchased and donated to this ministry with the understanding of it's mission. The mission was very much on the right track until the leaked letters came about. We did not agree to it going to Rome under this action of seemingly giving up all that Archbishop Lefebvre wrote, preach and sacrificed for.

    The next logical question is: do we have an actionable case? I don't know. I'm not a lawyer. This would probably go under a real estate lawyer, perhaps also a canon lawyer. My sister-in-law last night did a cursory research online and found that in St. Louis, MO, USA there was a suit against the SSPX and the donator of the property and in the end it was given to the SSPX. I don't know any specifics of that case and do not know if it is similar to what we feel we have.

    Just curious as to everyone thoughts. We as a family have zero idea of what we are going to do. Although the overriding feeling is heartbreak, anxiety.

    Offline SeanJohnson

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    « Reply #1 on: May 21, 2012, 11:59:44 AM »
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  •    If the SSPX holds clear title, you will have no case.

       If you wrote conditions into your transfer of title, those could become relevent.

       There would be no actionable cause based on implicit understandings, etc, as the Statute of Frauds requires that all terms relevent to a transaction of real property be stated in the agreement itself.
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    « Reply #2 on: May 21, 2012, 01:54:36 PM »
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  • Thank you Seraphim. I would have to agree with your assessment. No conditions were even a thought as this probable action by SSPX was never a consideration. I'll share this with the family.

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    « Reply #3 on: May 21, 2012, 02:43:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: Seraphim
      If the SSPX holds clear title, you will have no case.

       If you wrote conditions into your transfer of title, those could become relevent.

       There would be no actionable cause based on implicit understandings, etc, as the Statute of Frauds requires that all terms relevent to a transaction of real property be stated in the agreement itself.


    Contacts are being made with some global based law firms, experienced in international fraud and racketeering.

    The case being made is related to the undisclosed SSPX investment companies Bp. Fellay founded with the German attorney, Max Krah in 2008.

    The firms consdered, have "legal reach" in the main countries in which the SSPX is operating.
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    « Reply #4 on: May 22, 2012, 02:10:10 AM »
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  • Quote from: Incredulous
    Contacts are being made with some global based law firms, experienced in international fraud and racketeering.

    The case being made is related to the undisclosed SSPX investment companies Bp. Fellay founded with the German attorney, Max Krah in 2008.

    The firms consdered, have "legal reach" in the main countries in which the SSPX is operating.

    This is interesting. Are you free to give some more details about it? Thanks in advance.


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    « Reply #5 on: May 22, 2012, 06:52:02 PM »
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  • Wisconsinsheepgirl,

    Keep in mind that if you pursue action, you could end up spending a lot of money and getting no satisfaction. Imagine how that would affect your heartbreak and/or anxiety.

    Also, I would suppose, from prior experience, that a canon lawyer would be of no help for you, and could accomplish nothing. This is not a matter that canon law would apply to, inasmuch as any court that recognizes canon law would not be a court that is sympathetic to your cause.

    I would suggest you send a message to Chris Ferrara and John Salza, to find out what they recommend. They are both lawyers, and traditional Catholics.

    This question of real estate is going to become a lot more important in the following months, as SSPXers realize that their lifelong contributions are up for grabs, basically. It reminds me of churches all over the world that were meticulously build over centuries, with poor people contributing money they literally could not afford to give, to build the most beautiful sanctuaries money could buy. And then along came Vatican II and jack hammers tore out the rare and precious marble fixtures that had come at such a price.

    I've never heard of a single lawsuit that recovered any of the lost contributions for those crimes. So why would it be any different now?
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    « Reply #6 on: May 22, 2012, 07:08:20 PM »
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  • No. Clutching at straws, methinks.

     

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