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Offline MiserereMei

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Re: The SSPX just did a Trad act - ready to give up the Resistance?
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2019, 01:02:33 PM »
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  • Changes have been going on for longer in French and Spanish speaking countries. I have a brother that 25 yrs ago went to the seminary in Argentina and came back to our home country 2 months later with the sad news.


    Offline Tallinn Trad

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    Re: The SSPX just did a Trad act - ready to give up the Resistance?
    « Reply #16 on: October 31, 2019, 04:44:16 PM »
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  • 25 years ago wasn't Bishop Williamson running the SSPX seminary in Argentina?


    Offline Mr G

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    Re: The SSPX just did a Trad act - ready to give up the Resistance?
    « Reply #17 on: October 31, 2019, 07:25:42 PM »
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  • 25 years ago wasn't Bishop Williamson running the SSPX seminary in Argentina?
    No, I believe he left Winona for Argentina in 2003.

    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: The SSPX just did a Trad act - ready to give up the Resistance?
    « Reply #18 on: October 31, 2019, 10:35:06 PM »
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  • From "Joseph" on the French Resistance forum: http://resistance.vraiforum.com/t1046-abbe-Pagliarani-joue-au-dur.htm

    "Father Pagliarani wants to give a renewed and finally serious image of the Fraternity of Saint Pius X, after the Fellay years. But only the bad resistance fighters don't want to admit that everything is back to normal....

    The truth is that the FSSPX is even more confused. Read more:

    The real problem for the new Superior General is not that the Fraternity has abandoned the fundamental maxim of the 2006 Chapter "no agreement with Rome until it has converted", but simply to remedy the bad practical consequences of this new orientation taken in 2012... and among these regrettable consequences is the existence of the famous and very embarrassing "Resistance" (or Catholic Fidelity), which denounces this insidious and slow rapprochement of the neo-FSSPX with the Council authorities. The Liberals are thus made to never want to give up their bad principles, they prefer to "tinker" with their consequences, and hide things from the public eye.

    From then on, we try to conceal at all costs the betrayal of 2012 (which is materialized before our eyes in this "rallying by stages") by displaying an attitude apparently firmer than in Bishop Fellay's time. The post-Synod period and its scandals thus allowed Father Pagliarani to rebound by outbidding on the "Pachamama" affair alongside Bishop Schneider and the conservatives, leading priests and faithful FSSPX-News readers to believe that relations with Rome... it is over... finished!

    ... except that, in parallel with these "muscular" postures - words and promises are only binding, as is well known, for those who listen to them! - we have just learned that Bishop Fellay and his two former assistants came to Rome a few days ago to visit Father Suarez, former treasurer of the FSSPX, who became secretary to Pope Francis! Probably to talk about the cultivation of peas in Norway...."
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    Offline Plenus Venter

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    Re: The SSPX just did a Trad act - ready to give up the Resistance?
    « Reply #19 on: November 01, 2019, 10:10:29 PM »
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  • The Society of St. Pius X trusts Archbishop Lefebvre.
    This is completely false.
    The Resistance trusts Archbishop Lefebvre and continues his work.
    The Neo-SSPX, which is what XavierSem refers to, is ashamed of Archbishop Lefebvre. It is Menzingen who banned and criticized the book of Fr Pivert "Archbishop Lefebvre, Our Relations With Rome". It was Bishop Fellay who obtained a court injunction to stop the publication and promotion of the large collection of Archbishop Lefebvre's sermons.
    XavierSem is a Trad-ecuмenist and not a true Traditional Catholic as can be seen from a multitude of his posts, for example where he strongly encourages Traditional Catholics to attend Masses and frequent the Sacraments of the doubtful priests of the Conciliar ICKSP.
    XavierSem sees no problem with corrupting Catholic Tradition with conservatives who place 'obedience' above Faith, Catholics who accept the New Mass and Vatican II, Catholics who will submit to the Modernist hierarchy whenever they choose to curtail their traditional 'privileges'.
    XavierSem considers that Archbishop Lefebvre would rejoice to have a modernist Conciliar bishop like Huonder dressed up like a Catholic Bishop and offering the True Mass with his doubtful Orders in a house of the Society. Who is he trying to kid?
    XavierSem condemns what the Archbishop concluded about the impossibility of placing the SSPX in subjection to Modernist Rome until it comes back to the Faith. He condemns what the Society bishops and superiors, faithful to their holy founder, dutifully proclaimed for decades, that such an arrangement is impossible and would mean our death.
    On the other hand, XavierSem endlessly defends Bishop Fellay who divided the Society by abandoning its principles and encouraging us to accept a deal with modernist Rome "it cannot be a trap, it can only be friends wanting to do us good". He would have you, too, let down your guard and trust the wolves in sheep's clothing.
    XavierSem is a Liberal. He wants you to abandon your principles to achieve a practical unity, independent of the truth, with all those who are attracted to the smells and bells of the traditional liturgy. He dreams that in this way the cause of Catholic Tradition will somehow be served.


    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: The SSPX just did a Trad act - ready to give up the Resistance?
    « Reply #20 on: November 01, 2019, 10:28:20 PM »
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  • This is completely false.
    The Resistance trusts Archbishop Lefebvre and continues his work.
    The Neo-SSPX, which is what XavierSem refers to, is ashamed of Archbishop Lefebvre. It is Menzingen who banned and criticized the book of Fr Pivert "Archbishop Lefebvre, Our Relations With Rome". It was Bishop Fellay who obtained a court injunction to stop the publication and promotion of the large collection of Archbishop Lefebvre's sermons.
    XavierSem is a Trad-ecuмenist and not a true Traditional Catholic as can be seen from a multitude of his posts, for example where he strongly encourages Traditional Catholics to attend Masses and frequent the Sacraments of the doubtful priests of the Conciliar ICKSP.
    XavierSem sees no problem with corrupting Catholic Tradition with conservatives who place 'obedience' above Faith, Catholics who accept the New Mass and Vatican II, Catholics who will submit to the Modernist hierarchy whenever they choose to curtail their traditional 'privileges'.
    XavierSem considers that Archbishop Lefebvre would rejoice to have a modernist Conciliar bishop like Huonder dressed up like a Catholic Bishop and offering the True Mass with his doubtful Orders in a house of the Society. Who is he trying to kid?
    XavierSem condemns what the Archbishop concluded about the impossibility of placing the SSPX in subjection to Modernist Rome until it comes back to the Faith. He condemns what the Society bishops and superiors, faithful to their holy founder, dutifully proclaimed for decades, that such an arrangement is impossible and would mean our death.
    On the other hand, XavierSem endlessly defends Bishop Fellay who divided the Society by abandoning its principles and encouraging us to accept a deal with modernist Rome "it cannot be a trap, it can only be friends wanting to do us good". He would have you, too, let down your guard and trust the wolves in sheep's clothing.
    XavierSem is a Liberal. He wants you to abandon your principles to achieve a practical unity, independent of the truth, with all those who are attracted to the smells and bells of the traditional liturgy. He dreams that in this way the cause of Catholic Tradition will somehow be served.
    :applause: :applause: :applause:
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: The SSPX just did a Trad act - ready to give up the Resistance?
    « Reply #21 on: November 01, 2019, 10:59:11 PM »
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  •  :applause: :applause: :applause:
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: The SSPX just did a Trad act - ready to give up the Resistance?
    « Reply #22 on: November 07, 2019, 01:40:39 AM »
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     Let’s talk about those little compromises that pave the smooth road to hell
    Marian Corps of St. Pius X - MCSPX : Traditional Catholic·Friday, 1 November 2019·3 minutes
    The article below was written by a man who has always been Traditional Catholic and who has been continually fighting liberalism since before Vatican II.
    For those who have acquaintances especially prone to compromises, consider copying and distributing this article to them.
    Little compromises may not worry you, but they are the devil’s most effective tool to erode your faith and thus destroy your soul. The little compromise is a personal “white flag” of surrender in your resolve to keep strong your faith, without which there is no salvation. This is gradualism at work.
    The dictionary defines compromise as: “to come to agreement by concession; to make a shameful or disreputable concession.” Those small compromises that I’ve witnessed over the years are falsely accepted by weak-willed traditionalists, as the only answer to most religious problems. After the first little compromise, bigger ones are easily accepted, and are sure to follow, because they lend credence to the first one.
    What tempts a person to start taking the small (eventually fatal) steps of compromise that inevitably lead to the loss of faith? There are many, but I will mention a few:

        to avoid ridicule;
        to avoid estranging friends and family;
        to avoid being considered radical;
        to avoid friction with a religious son or daughter in a liberal “traditional” community;
        to avoid losing convenient access to the sacraments; and
        to avoid discovering a truth which would disturb one’s conscience.

    After many little and big compromises, one’s informed conscience is non-existent, and faith is lost without remorse.
    Bishop Fellay has counted on his followers accepting the little compromises he has been promoting over the years. He has skillfully avoided being exposed for his effort to liberalize the SSPX. He has been at it for many years, hiding his true intentions by using deceptive phrases like “always fighting for Catholic tradition,” and for sure, attaching the SSPX founder's name, Archbishop Lefebvre, to cover his real intentions.
    He has been patient and is working hard to avoid defections—which Rome will not tolerate since they wish to avoid a strong traditional voice against them.
    Bishop Fellay understood it would take time and technique to turn around the traditional goals of battleship SSPX Lefebvre. The first command was full stop for the engines fighting liberalism, then a left rudder to modernism, and finally full speed ahead for acceptance by Masonic Rome. This hijacked battleship was renamed the N-SSPX Fellay and commissioned to fight against traditionalism.
    The day has come when every family has to make the soul-saving decision to avoid the sinking ship of little compromises. For all those compromisers out there on the deck of the battleship N-SSPX Fellay who mistakenly believe they are heading for the safe harbor of salvation, better jump ship and climb aboard the Good Ship Real Resistance before it is too late and you run aground in the polluted waters of Rome's harbor of lost souls.


    Offline cosmas

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    Re: The SSPX just did a Trad act - ready to give up the Resistance?
    « Reply #23 on: November 09, 2019, 11:12:25 AM »
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  • Ask any SSPX Priest if they still have supplied jurisdiction. If they tell you no, then we are no longer under an emergency situation and there's no crisis in the church. These are the reasons the SSPX said they had supplied jurisdiction. They supposedly don't need it now because of the deal they made with Pope Francis on Confessions and Marriages. So they really are already inside Rome's Control.