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Re: The SSPX just did a Trad act - ready to give up the Resistance?
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2019, 11:28:53 PM »
I'm gonna guess Xavier means +Lefebvre was an authority in a less formal sense.  Like "he's a wise, learned man who knows more than we do" not that he had jurisdictional authority over anyone.

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Re: The SSPX just did a Trad act - ready to give up the Resistance?
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2019, 08:30:58 AM »
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I'm gonna guess Xavier means +Lefebvre was an authority in a less formal sense.  Like "he's a wise, learned man who knows more than we do"

Sure, I get that.  But my point is that +ABL isn't the only wise, learned man who rejected V2 and the new mass in the 60s.  The world was filled with courageous, wise clerics who rejected new-rome and started Tradition.  And there are still many today of +ABL's caliber, like the Traditional monks in Europe, Fr Cyprian's monks in NM, many of the Pius V bishops/priests, and, of course, +Williamson.


Re: The SSPX just did a Trad act - ready to give up the Resistance?
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2019, 12:23:43 PM »

Even does not stand. In order for it to be at least permissible to break one's vows or fail in one's duties of obedience to one's legitimate superiors in the spirit of a Fraternity of Bishops and Priests, there must be at least an undeniable danger to the Faith that is openly advocated for. But, no such danger exists, because it is not only not wrong, but even positively good, to obtain Ordinary Jurisdiction from the Pope, with no strings attached at all, as has already been granted to the Society, even in advance of the anticipated resumption of doctrinal discussions in the distant future. Also, it is more dangerous to be under no kind of habitual jurisdiction at all, as those faithful who want to break away from the SSPX now are doing, than to be subject to the SSPX Shepherds who have not professed any heresies at all.





Fr. McDonald explains some of the problems with the "ordinary jurisdiction" which the SSPX has obtained: https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/'crisis-in-the-sspx'-rev-fr-edward-macdonald-at-rockwood-manitoba-canada/

Re: The SSPX just did a Trad act - ready to give up the Resistance?
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2019, 12:36:58 PM »

Sean: Questions for you (1) Can you prove the Resistance has already denounced it more firmly than Rev. Fr. Pagliarani? According to your approach, it would be justified to break away from the Resistance if they have not already done so, on the flimsiest of speculations about the future. Have the Resistance's predictions for 7 years come true? Has the Society become another Campos? 



Hi Xavier, your questions and arguments assume nothing has changed within the SSPX that is why you say "speculation" "predictions" etc. You are arguing based on the assumption  nothing has happened. But those on the Resistance side, know by fact and experience that the SSPX has changed, they are reacting to what HAS happened and not what they think will happen in the near or distant future. So any debates with you or Mr. McFarland, etc. will go nowhere until you accept there has been changes in the SSPX, then once you accept that, then you can begin to debate on what is the proper reaction to those changes.

Re: The SSPX just did a Trad act - ready to give up the Resistance?
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2019, 12:48:26 PM »
Hi Xavier, your questions and arguments assume nothing has changed within the SSPX that is why you say "speculation" "predictions" etc. You are arguing based on the assumption  nothing has happened. But those on the Resistance side, know by fact and experience that the SSPX has changed, they are reacting to what HAS happened and not what they think will happen in the near or distant future. So any debates with you or Mr. McFarland, etc. will go nowhere until you accept there has been changes in the SSPX, then once you accept that, then you can begin to debate on what is the proper reaction to those changes.
Xavier wants to be a seminarian with the SSPX and McFarland has a son who is a priest with the SSPX, don't expect them to acknowledge that anything has changed or is wrong, it affects their pocket.