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Title: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
Post by: Banezian on November 15, 2019, 04:54:16 PM
By the grace of God, Fr. Raymond and Fr. Thomas found a place in Southern France and moved there last year.
http://dominicains-rosarium.fr/ (http://dominicains-rosarium.fr/)

Here is their latest newsletter. No one who reads this can take the accusations of softness that the Avrille Dominicans have hurled against these men seriously

http://laportelatine.org/publications/presse/lab_freres_NDR_Rosarium/rosarium_1906_04.pdf (http://laportelatine.org/publications/presse/lab_freres_NDR_Rosarium/rosarium_1906_04.pdf)


Title: Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
Post by: SeanJohnson on November 15, 2019, 05:07:47 PM
Fake Menzingen “Dominicans.”
Title: Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
Post by: Banezian on November 15, 2019, 05:16:29 PM
Fake Menzingen “Dominicans.”
lol, fake by who’s standard? I mean N.O Dominicans don’t think the Avrille Dominicans are real Dominicans either.  While I disagree with their position, I have nothing against Avrille. Fr. Thomas/Fr. Raymond have not attacked Avrille. What’s happened has happened. No  need to hurl insults and quarrel.
Title: Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
Post by: Meg on November 15, 2019, 05:38:44 PM
By the grace of God, Fr. Raymond and Fr. Thomas found a place in Southern France and moved there last year.
http://dominicains-rosarium.fr/ (http://dominicains-rosarium.fr/)

Here is their latest newsletter. No one who reads this can take the accusations of softness that the Avrille Dominicans have hurled against these men seriously

http://laportelatine.org/publications/presse/lab_freres_NDR_Rosarium/rosarium_1906_04.pdf (http://laportelatine.org/publications/presse/lab_freres_NDR_Rosarium/rosarium_1906_04.pdf)

What do Fr. Raymond and Fr. Thomas think of the collaborations between the SSPX and local dioceses around the world? Are they fine with that? Are they fine with the SSPX reconciling with Rome in littles? They'll need to be fine with it, or they'll be out.
Title: Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
Post by: Banezian on November 15, 2019, 05:41:47 PM
What do Fr. Raymond and Fr. Thomas think of the collaborations between the SSPX and local dioceses around the world? Are they fine with that? Are they fine with the SSPX reconciling with Rome in littles? They'll need to be fine with it, or they'll be out.
Fr. Gleize regularly opposes agreement with Rome in his articles and he’s still at Econe 
Title: Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
Post by: SeanJohnson on November 15, 2019, 05:44:54 PM
Anyone who has read my book is well informed about these fake “Dominicans.”
Title: Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
Post by: Meg on November 15, 2019, 05:46:20 PM
Fr. Gleize regularly opposes agreement with Rome in his articles and he’s still at Econe

Okay, but that's not what I asked about. I asked about Fr. Raymond and Fr. Thomas. Are they fine with the collaboration between the SSPX and conciliar dioceses around the world? Are they fine with the SSPX reconciling with Rome by littles?
Title: Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
Post by: SeanJohnson on November 15, 2019, 05:48:02 PM
Okay, but that's not what I asked about. I asked about Fr. Raymond and Fr. Thomas. Are they fine with the collaboration between the SSPX and conciliar dioceses around the world? Are they fine with the SSPX reconciling with Rome by littles?

I presume this is a rhetorical challenge to the OP, but the answer is an obvious and resounding “YES!”
Title: Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
Post by: Meg on November 15, 2019, 05:50:08 PM
I presume this is a rhetorical challenge to the OP, but the answer is an obvious and resounding “YES!”

I don't know much about them, but if they are fine with the SSPX reconciling with Rome, and they are fine with the SSPX collaborating with the conciliar dioceses, then they are not faithful to legacy and work Archbishop Lefebvre. They may have good intentions. But eventually, they will be conciliar Dominicans. And you know what that means. 
Title: Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
Post by: Banezian on November 15, 2019, 05:51:29 PM
Okay, but that's not what I asked about. I asked about Fr. Raymond and Fr. Thomas. Are they fine with the collaboration between the SSPX and conciliar dioceses around the world? Are they fine with the SSPX reconciling with Rome by littles?
I’d assume their view is the same as Fr. Albert’s
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=2ahUKEwiFkc_hs-3lAhVEj1kKHUPhDIkQtwIwAHoECAkQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D11NcXdacM18&usg=AOvVaw3fxT28WEkreng8FrzWbXxP (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=2ahUKEwiFkc_hs-3lAhVEj1kKHUPhDIkQtwIwAHoECAkQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D11NcXdacM18&usg=AOvVaw3fxT28WEkreng8FrzWbXxP)
I brought up Fr. Gleize because the Resustance argues that any SSPX priest who opposes agreement with Rome is either silenced or kicked out. If that’s true, why is Fr. Gleize still Professor of ecclesiology at Econe? I mean heck, he’s the one they sent out to talk to Rome in 2012. 
Title: Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
Post by: SeanJohnson on November 15, 2019, 06:11:27 PM
I’d assume their view is the same as Fr. Albert’s
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=2ahUKEwiFkc_hs-3lAhVEj1kKHUPhDIkQtwIwAHoECAkQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D11NcXdacM18&usg=AOvVaw3fxT28WEkreng8FrzWbXxP (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=2ahUKEwiFkc_hs-3lAhVEj1kKHUPhDIkQtwIwAHoECAkQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D11NcXdacM18&usg=AOvVaw3fxT28WEkreng8FrzWbXxP)
I brought up Fr. Gleize because the Resustance argues that any SSPX priest who opposes agreement with Rome is either silenced or kicked out. If that’s true, why is Fr. Gleize still Professor of ecclesiology at Econe? I mean heck, he’s the one they sent out to talk to Rome in 2012.

Was it your intention to derail your own thread (ie., make your announcement about the apostate “Dominicans,” then quickly divert the thread so that criticism is avoided, while the announcement and link stand unmolested)?
Title: Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
Post by: Banezian on November 15, 2019, 06:16:04 PM
Was it your intention to derail your own thread (ie., make your announcement about the apostate “Dominicans,” then quickly divert the thread so that criticism is avoided, while the announcement and link stand unmolested)?
I answered your criticism. There have been threads on the subject before, so I wanted to update the forum on the situation. You will answer to God for hurling charges of apostasy at priests you probably don’t even know
Title: Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
Post by: SeanJohnson on November 15, 2019, 06:27:08 PM
I answered your criticism. There have been threads on the subject before, so I wanted to update the forum on the situation. You will answer to God for hurling charges of apostasy at priests you probably don’t even know

Au contraire:

The charge of apostasy is made by their legitimate superiors in Avrillé (multiple times) in the Steffeshausen Memmorandum.

They have no right to even wear the Dominican habit, much less submitting their obedience to the SSPX.

This situation would have horrified Lefebvre, but not an SSPX who contrived for many, many years to break Avrillé (ever since it announced back in 2001 that it would not follow the SSPX into liberal doctrinal pluralism).
Title: Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
Post by: Banezian on November 15, 2019, 06:33:31 PM
Au contraire:

The charge of apostasy is made by their legitimate superiors in Avrillé (multiple times) in the Steffeshausen Memmorandum.

They have no right to even wear the Dominican habit, much less submitting their obedience to the SSPX.

This situation would have horrified Lefebvre, but not an SSPX who contrived for many, many years to break Avrillé (ever since it announced back in 2001 that it would not follow the SSPX into liberal doctrinal pluralism).
Believe what you want to old boy
Title: Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
Post by: SeanJohnson on November 15, 2019, 06:35:48 PM
Believe what you want to old boy

Do you dispute the notion that Lefebvre rejected the idea of the exempt religious orders submitting to him, or of him taking control of them?
Title: Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
Post by: Plenus Venter on November 15, 2019, 09:39:41 PM
Response to an article on the SSPX-USA website
An article called “A New Dominican Community (http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/new-dominican-community-5298)” was published on October 24, 2014 on the SSPX USA web site1 (http://www.dominicansavrille.us/response-article-sspx-usa-web-site/#sdfootnote1sym).  Here are the principle passages with some added commentary.
It is interesting to note that on 24 October, the same day this article appeared, two Dominican Fathers from Avrillé arrived in the United States for a 15 day stay to visit the Dominican Tertiaries attached to the Avrillé friary. Two days later on 26 October, the SSPX District Superior of the United States. Fr. Wegner, sent a letter to all his priests and to all the Avrillé Tertiaries living in the United States, warning them against the Avrillé friary and asking the Avrillé Tertiaries to join the Steffeshausen Third Order.
In his turn, on 31 October, Fr. Albert sent a letter to the Avrillé Tertiaries living in the United States, warning them against the Avrillé friary and asking the same Tertiaries to join his Third Order.
The Avrillé Dominican Fathers

Start of the article appearing on the SSPX-USA web site:
A New Dominican Community
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“Find out about a new traditional religious community, the Dominican Friars of Steffeshausen, Belgium, and see how you can help them… or even join the Third Order of St. Dominic.
A video (http://sspx.org/en/media/video/new-dominican-community-third-order-5297)  (http://www.dominicansavrille.us/response-article-sspx-usa-web-site/#sdfootnote2sym)has just been posted about a new foundation of traditional Dominican friars in Belgium and the Third Order that they are offering to the faithful.
This new community of traditional Dominican friars was founded on November 15, 2013 in Steffeshausen, a little village in the southeast corner of Belgium. They were invited there by the villagers after the death of their parish priest, who had kept the traditional Mass and was persecuted by his bishop some 25 years ago.
They offered the church and rectory built by this priest to these friars as a first home for their fledgling community.”
Our Commentary: The Steffeshausen house was not offered to these four priests, but to the Avrillé Dominicans.  Here are the facts:
On 26 January 2013, during a meeting in Suresnes, in the presence of Fr. de Cacqueray [then District Superior of France], Bishop Fellay asked the Avrillé Dominicans to bring together five “vagus” Dominicans (all perpetually professed to the Avrillé friary) in a house which would be under the jurisdiction of Avrillé. That day, Bishop Fellay promised to support that foundation with his authority and to tell the religious who would refuse to submit that they must remove the habit or they would no longer be recognized as Dominicans by the Society of St. Pius X.
The Avrillé Dominicans accepted this decision. A committee of lay people who were taking care of the house of Steffeshausen contacted the Avrillé Dominicans early February 2013 offering to hand over this house, so the fathers proposed to Bishop Fellay that the foundation be made there. The bishop accepted, and contacted the five religious to offer to install them in this house.
However, in June 2013, Bishop de Galarreta told Avrillé that it was he who would take this foundation under his authority. When the fathers told him that Bishop Fellay had promised that the foundation would be instituted under the authority of Avrillé, Bishop de Galarreta answered, “Bishop Fellay considers himself to be relieved of his promise.” He declined to comment further and referred to Bishop Fellay. Father Prior of Avrillé then wrote three letters to Bishop Fellay on 14 July, 26 July and 11 August 2013 (the last of which was personally delivered by Fr. de Cacqueray) asking for explanations— he has never received a response.
The SSPX article continues:
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“Bishop Alfonso de Galarreta, who assists those religious communities affiliated with the SSPX, accepted to help the foundation as its ecclesiastical superior. You can help the Dominicans by making a donation . . . On their behalf, thank you very much for your support!”
(End of the text from the web site of the SSPX-USA.)
Our Commentary: The Dominican Order, which is an exempt Order, has never been put under the jurisdiction of a bishop.
What’s more, being a bishop without jurisdiction, Bishop de Galaretta’s action of removing the five religious from their legitimate superior, without that superior’s agreement, is an illegitimate act and indicates a schismatic mentality by attributing to the bishops consecrated by Archbishop Lefebvre a jurisdiction they do not have and which Archbishop Lefebvre never wanted to give to them because he himself did not have it, as he so often said.
In the video presented with this article, Fr. Albert recounts his history and very rapidly skims over the 19 years of his life that he spent with “some traditional Dominicans in France,” omitting to say that he was a part of the Avrillé community, that he studied there, that he received all his ecclesiastical orders from as a member of this community and that he made a vow of perpetual obedience between the hands of the prior of Avrillé. He also forgets to tell that he was sent to the United States in 2006 by his superiors in Avrillé, on the recommendation of Bishop Fellay, and that afterwards he refused to return to the Avrillé friary where his superiors still wait for him. He also keeps quiet about the situation of the four other religious, all perpetually professed to Avrillé, of whom three left the friary in the middle of the night of 11-12 April 2011 with the complicity of the German SSPX District Superior, Fr. Franz Schmidberger. There are many lapses of memory and much silence in the telling of this tale.
This foundation, made on dishonesty and disobedience, is a violation of religious law.
But above all, in the current context, it is a maneuver by Menzingen to weaken the Avrillé community and to have a nice, happy community of Menzingen Dominicans, who neither bark nor bite.
1 (http://www.dominicansavrille.us/response-article-sspx-usa-web-site/#sdfootnote1anc) — http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/new-dominican-community-5298.
2 (http://www.dominicansavrille.us/response-article-sspx-usa-web-site/#sdfootnote2anc) — http://sspx.org/en/media/video/new-dominican-community-third-order-5297.
Title: Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
Post by: Mr G on November 16, 2019, 08:42:24 AM
I’d assume their view is the same as Fr. Albert’s
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=2ahUKEwiFkc_hs-3lAhVEj1kKHUPhDIkQtwIwAHoECAkQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D11NcXdacM18&usg=AOvVaw3fxT28WEkreng8FrzWbXxP (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=2ahUKEwiFkc_hs-3lAhVEj1kKHUPhDIkQtwIwAHoECAkQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D11NcXdacM18&usg=AOvVaw3fxT28WEkreng8FrzWbXxP)
I brought up Fr. Gleize because the Resustance argues that any SSPX priest who opposes agreement with Rome is either silenced or kicked out. If that’s true, why is Fr. Gleize still Professor of ecclesiology at Econe? I mean heck, he’s the one they sent out to talk to Rome in 2012.
Because, (according to the SSPX) it is better to let him vent his opposition than forbid him from speaking and thus risk losing him and influencing other priests to follow. It is the new policy to let those priests who are dissatisfied with the new situation in the SSPX to vent their concerns as long as it prevents them from taking any action, such as leaving or encouraging others to be more vocal, etc.
Title: Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
Post by: Mr G on November 16, 2019, 08:45:51 AM
lol, fake by who’s standard? I mean N.O Dominicans don’t think the Avrille Dominicans are real Dominicans either.  While I disagree with their position, I have nothing against Avrille. Fr. Thomas/Fr. Raymond have not attacked Avrille. What’s happened has happened. No  need to hurl insults and quarrel.
Indeed, no need for insults. Thus the SSPX should admit that the priests who left the SSPX due to the changes within the SSPX were fine to do so, just as they admit these 4 Dominicans are fine for leaving their Order when there was no changes.
Title: Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
Post by: Incredulous on November 16, 2019, 10:18:58 AM


So much was wrong with the hijacking of the Dominican's novices.


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Starting with:

1. Bishop Fellay's visceral hatred of the Dominicans of Avrille... because they refused to buy his newChurch dialogue schtik.
2. Father Albert's systematic betrayal of his Dominican order.
3. Assigning the marrano, Bp. de Galarreta to oversee the newDominicans.

The only truth that came out from this fiasco was Fr. Albert's video, where he admitted it was not God's will for the newDomincans
to be.




Title: Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
Post by: Banezian on November 16, 2019, 12:09:25 PM
Indeed, no need for insults. Thus the SSPX should admit that the priests who left the SSPX due to the changes within the SSPX were fine to do so, just as they admit these 4 Dominicans are fine for leaving their Order when there was no changes.
I don’t speak for the SSPX but I’d say they were free to do so. I’d say the same about the priests who formed the SSPV. I disagree with bith the Resistance and the SSPV but respect both groups and would attend their Masses
Title: Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
Post by: thebloodycoven on November 17, 2019, 12:39:29 PM
Then do not speak for them since in ALL chapels and from all SSPX priests (whether they be Filipino, Japanese, American, Canadian, French, et al) who I hear about the priests of the "Resistance" they all, ALL say the "Resistance" are NOT true SSPX and they have "betrayed" their founder. Two priests where I hear Mass at said that they (the "Resistance") do not have the Holy Ghost and their "false" order is doomed to fail. I for one am getting tired of this. The divisions in the "Resistance" are not hindrances in the same way the divisions in the Franciscans, the Carmelites, and the various Orders and religious congregations in the Church prior Vatican II weren't viewed by the Church as such. To use such an argument can be used against not only to the "Resistance" and especially to the SSPX, but to the Church herself who allows (like when St. Paul and St. Barnabas went differing ways) such parting at times for the greater good.
Title: Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
Post by: Plenus Venter on November 17, 2019, 05:42:24 PM
Yes, quite so TBC! SSPX priests steeped in hypocrisy all over the world who make claims that the Resistance priests "have no jurisdiction", "no canonical mission in the Church", claiming that it is a mortal sin to attend their Masses, refusing the sacraments to the faithful who do so. And this from not only the brain-washed new ordinands, but from very senior priests...