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The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
« on: November 15, 2019, 04:54:16 PM »
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    • By the grace of God, Fr. Raymond and Fr. Thomas found a place in Southern France and moved there last year.
    http://dominicains-rosarium.fr/

    Here is their latest newsletter. No one who reads this can take the accusations of softness that the Avrille Dominicans have hurled against these men seriously

    http://laportelatine.org/publications/presse/lab_freres_NDR_Rosarium/rosarium_1906_04.pdf


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    Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
    « Reply #1 on: November 15, 2019, 05:07:47 PM »
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    • Fake Menzingen “Dominicans.”
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    Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
    « Reply #2 on: November 15, 2019, 05:16:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 15, 2019, 05:07:47 PM
    Fake Menzingen “Dominicans.”
    lol, fake by who’s standard? I mean N.O Dominicans don’t think the Avrille Dominicans are real Dominicans either.  While I disagree with their position, I have nothing against Avrille. Fr. Thomas/Fr. Raymond have not attacked Avrille. What’s happened has happened. No  need to hurl insults and quarrel.
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    Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
    « Reply #3 on: November 15, 2019, 05:38:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Banezian on November 15, 2019, 04:54:16 PM
    By the grace of God, Fr. Raymond and Fr. Thomas found a place in Southern France and moved there last year.
    http://dominicains-rosarium.fr/

    Here is their latest newsletter. No one who reads this can take the accusations of softness that the Avrille Dominicans have hurled against these men seriously

    http://laportelatine.org/publications/presse/lab_freres_NDR_Rosarium/rosarium_1906_04.pdf

    What do Fr. Raymond and Fr. Thomas think of the collaborations between the SSPX and local dioceses around the world? Are they fine with that? Are they fine with the SSPX reconciling with Rome in littles? They'll need to be fine with it, or they'll be out.
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    Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
    « Reply #4 on: November 15, 2019, 05:41:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on November 15, 2019, 05:38:44 PM
    What do Fr. Raymond and Fr. Thomas think of the collaborations between the SSPX and local dioceses around the world? Are they fine with that? Are they fine with the SSPX reconciling with Rome in littles? They'll need to be fine with it, or they'll be out.
    Fr. Gleize regularly opposes agreement with Rome in his articles and he’s still at Econe 
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    Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
    « Reply #5 on: November 15, 2019, 05:44:54 PM »
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    • Anyone who has read my book is well informed about these fake “Dominicans.”
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    Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
    « Reply #6 on: November 15, 2019, 05:46:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: Banezian on November 15, 2019, 05:41:47 PM
    Fr. Gleize regularly opposes agreement with Rome in his articles and he’s still at Econe

    Okay, but that's not what I asked about. I asked about Fr. Raymond and Fr. Thomas. Are they fine with the collaboration between the SSPX and conciliar dioceses around the world? Are they fine with the SSPX reconciling with Rome by littles?
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    Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
    « Reply #7 on: November 15, 2019, 05:48:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on November 15, 2019, 05:46:20 PM
    Okay, but that's not what I asked about. I asked about Fr. Raymond and Fr. Thomas. Are they fine with the collaboration between the SSPX and conciliar dioceses around the world? Are they fine with the SSPX reconciling with Rome by littles?

    I presume this is a rhetorical challenge to the OP, but the answer is an obvious and resounding “YES!”
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    Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
    « Reply #8 on: November 15, 2019, 05:50:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 15, 2019, 05:48:02 PM
    I presume this is a rhetorical challenge to the OP, but the answer is an obvious and resounding “YES!”

    I don't know much about them, but if they are fine with the SSPX reconciling with Rome, and they are fine with the SSPX collaborating with the conciliar dioceses, then they are not faithful to legacy and work Archbishop Lefebvre. They may have good intentions. But eventually, they will be conciliar Dominicans. And you know what that means. 
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    Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
    « Reply #9 on: November 15, 2019, 05:51:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on November 15, 2019, 05:46:20 PM
    Okay, but that's not what I asked about. I asked about Fr. Raymond and Fr. Thomas. Are they fine with the collaboration between the SSPX and conciliar dioceses around the world? Are they fine with the SSPX reconciling with Rome by littles?
    I’d assume their view is the same as Fr. Albert’s
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=2ahUKEwiFkc_hs-3lAhVEj1kKHUPhDIkQtwIwAHoECAkQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D11NcXdacM18&usg=AOvVaw3fxT28WEkreng8FrzWbXxP
    I brought up Fr. Gleize because the Resustance argues that any SSPX priest who opposes agreement with Rome is either silenced or kicked out. If that’s true, why is Fr. Gleize still Professor of ecclesiology at Econe? I mean heck, he’s the one they sent out to talk to Rome in 2012. 
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    Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
    « Reply #10 on: November 15, 2019, 06:11:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Banezian on November 15, 2019, 05:51:29 PM
    I’d assume their view is the same as Fr. Albert’s
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=2ahUKEwiFkc_hs-3lAhVEj1kKHUPhDIkQtwIwAHoECAkQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D11NcXdacM18&usg=AOvVaw3fxT28WEkreng8FrzWbXxP
    I brought up Fr. Gleize because the Resustance argues that any SSPX priest who opposes agreement with Rome is either silenced or kicked out. If that’s true, why is Fr. Gleize still Professor of ecclesiology at Econe? I mean heck, he’s the one they sent out to talk to Rome in 2012.

    Was it your intention to derail your own thread (ie., make your announcement about the apostate “Dominicans,” then quickly divert the thread so that criticism is avoided, while the announcement and link stand unmolested)?
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    Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
    « Reply #11 on: November 15, 2019, 06:16:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 15, 2019, 06:11:27 PM
    Was it your intention to derail your own thread (ie., make your announcement about the apostate “Dominicans,” then quickly divert the thread so that criticism is avoided, while the announcement and link stand unmolested)?
    I answered your criticism. There have been threads on the subject before, so I wanted to update the forum on the situation. You will answer to God for hurling charges of apostasy at priests you probably don’t even know
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    Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
    « Reply #12 on: November 15, 2019, 06:27:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Banezian on November 15, 2019, 06:16:04 PM
    I answered your criticism. There have been threads on the subject before, so I wanted to update the forum on the situation. You will answer to God for hurling charges of apostasy at priests you probably don’t even know

    Au contraire:

    The charge of apostasy is made by their legitimate superiors in Avrillé (multiple times) in the Steffeshausen Memmorandum.

    They have no right to even wear the Dominican habit, much less submitting their obedience to the SSPX.

    This situation would have horrified Lefebvre, but not an SSPX who contrived for many, many years to break Avrillé (ever since it announced back in 2001 that it would not follow the SSPX into liberal doctrinal pluralism).
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    Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
    « Reply #13 on: November 15, 2019, 06:33:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on November 15, 2019, 06:27:08 PM
    Au contraire:

    The charge of apostasy is made by their legitimate superiors in Avrillé (multiple times) in the Steffeshausen Memmorandum.

    They have no right to even wear the Dominican habit, much less submitting their obedience to the SSPX.

    This situation would have horrified Lefebvre, but not an SSPX who contrived for many, many years to break Avrillé (ever since it announced back in 2001 that it would not follow the SSPX into liberal doctrinal pluralism).
    Believe what you want to old boy
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    Re: The SSPX has a new Dominican community in Saint-Paul-de-Serre, France
    « Reply #14 on: November 15, 2019, 06:35:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Banezian on November 15, 2019, 06:33:31 PM
    Believe what you want to old boy

    Do you dispute the notion that Lefebvre rejected the idea of the exempt religious orders submitting to him, or of him taking control of them?
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