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Holly Family wrote:    Very very well said.  This latest letter of hers is more proof for many.  There are also a small handful who can attest to what you write above, having witnessed it first hand.  They do not need to read her letters or read what others in the fora say about her, they have actually had real life personal interactions with her.  If they were not fearful of further reprisal, I believe they would come forward with their experiences.  If she has no problem scathingly ripping into priests and bishops to their face, you can understand why a mere layperson would be fearful of being subject to the same.  

When did she "scathingly rip into a priest or bishop to their face"? I know her quite well and know of no such instance,you either prove this statement or stand accused of being a liar. Please provide dates and names.

It would appear that your hostile tone proves holyfamily's point - you bully and harrass as any good Christian gentle-man should. Again if this lady is the "real deal" the messages need no bully-boys to prove it.

As a matter of fact I can testify personally to interacting with this lady on several occasions and she had no qualms laying into me for contradicting her within minutes on an internet forum. That I found quite instructive. I had meant my comment to be a test of her virtue since I was at that time wondering about the veracity of her "messages" and the response was so over the top, I was glad there were fiber optics between myself and her. It is evident that we should be very careful before answering forum postings since we never know just how much they reveal about our own spiritual development.

I'm not bullying anyone, the statement that was made is patently untrue,as Catholics aren't we supposed to avoid lies and calumny? I was commenting on the statement mayed that  she"scathingly rips into a priest or bishop to their face". As far as your interaction with her I'll have to take your word for it,but I find it interesting that a lay person would be "testing"the virtue of another lay person, on the internet no less .Isn't that the job of the clergy and shouldn't it be done face to face?

Wednesday 7th. April: The miracle of the candle

During this Apparition, Bernadette had to keep her candle alight. The flame licked along her hand without burning it. A medical doctor, Dr. Douzous, immediately witnessed this fact.


If a lay woman asks for a Rosary crusade in the name of the Blessed Virgin Mary evidently she is enlisting the support of everybody who hears the message - clergy and laity alike. If I want to know whether the messages are genuine than like Dr. Douzous I might very well put a lighted candle under St. Bernadette's hand to test whether she is shamming. The good Doctor elicited no reaction from the seer - in my case I did and a highly negative one. Even laity may test the virtue of another lay person who lays claim to heavenly visions that impinge upon somebody other than just the seer.

Additionally I am aware of no miracles that give evidence for the authenticity of these messages - a startling omission where it heavenly in origin.

So would like to hold a candle under her hand?My point is,  what qualifies you to be testing someone's virtue,especially sight unseen on the internet,your pretentious actions speak of someone who's own virtue may be lacking,so how about taking care of your own virtue,and leave the testing to the clergy.

Now how bout you addressing the untruths posted by Holy Family.

To my knowledge there have been no miracles,so?

Are you a pharisee,do you demand miracles?

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Holly Family wrote:    Very very well said.  This latest letter of hers is more proof for many.  There are also a small handful who can attest to what you write above, having witnessed it first hand.  They do not need to read her letters or read what others in the fora say about her, they have actually had real life personal interactions with her.  If they were not fearful of further reprisal, I believe they would come forward with their experiences.  If she has no problem scathingly ripping into priests and bishops to their face, you can understand why a mere layperson would be fearful of being subject to the same.  

When did she "scathingly rip into a priest or bishop to their face"? I know her quite well and know of no such instance,you either prove this statement or stand accused of being a liar. Please provide dates and names.

It would appear that your hostile tone proves holyfamily's point - you bully and harrass as any good Christian gentle-man should. Again if this lady is the "real deal" the messages need no bully-boys to prove it.

As a matter of fact I can testify personally to interacting with this lady on several occasions and she had no qualms laying into me for contradicting her within minutes on an internet forum. That I found quite instructive. I had meant my comment to be a test of her virtue since I was at that time wondering about the veracity of her "messages" and the response was so over the top, I was glad there were fiber optics between myself and her. It is evident that we should be very careful before answering forum postings since we never know just how much they reveal about our own spiritual development.

I had interaction with her on ABLF 1.0. She called me a woman hater for two wholly unobjectionable threads I started on female hair length and proposing gender-segregated forums. This happened shortly after I had inquired about her visions, to which she didn't respond. Perhaps she felt threatened. The core of the attack came from DawnMarie and her 6 or 7 devotees. SpiritusSanctus (the admin) TMW89 (mod), Mithrandylan (mod), and Telesphorus not only didn't defend me from the torrent of abuse I received from DawnMarie and her devotees , but they even joined in. It was particularly surprising that Telesphorus and Cantarella joined in, since they both talk a good game about feminism, and so you'd think they'd have the wherewithal to perceive what was happening.

It was a real eye-opener.

I remember after DawnMarie deleted her account over there, TMW89 posting that he'd like her to come back. She was well-liked by Mithrandylan and SpiritusSanctus as well. Graham put up a tepid defense of me. PereJoseph, Ethelred and another woman who's handle I forget defended me as well. Ethelred left the forum because of this feminism breakout. Incidentally Ethelred loves Bishop Williamson, but he didn't take DawnMarie seriously for a second. He thought she was a fraud and thought Bishop Williamson had made an honest mistake.

Bishop Williamson enthusiasts such as myself are in a bit of a pickle. I can't understand why such an otherwise astute man could fall for such a dubious character. It's my understanding that she's met him. Perhaps she has some hypnotic power in person. I detected nothing holy about her in the months I observed her over there.

You demand do you,from who, Francis? The church has indeed always been wise and prudent,but the churchmen in there now are any thing but. So Laddie who is going to approve,you? I realize that there are many "popes" on this forum,is guess you must be one of them.

Evidently, richie, you don't demand any proof other than the claims of Dawn Marie herself, which is all that we have.  Talk about gullible and naive.

Only you DM groupies are acting like "popes".  As has been pointed out myriad times, the default position of the Church is one of SKEPTICISM.  We are simply adopting the default position of the Church, whereas you are the one acting like a pope and declaring these fake visions/locutions to be legitimate.