Author Topic: The Seer Responds to Bishop Fellay (Read 19146 times)

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #95 on:** November 06, 2015, 12:28:22 PM »

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...His Excellency was unwilling to risk launching Such a crusade (a Crusade of Rosaries for the consecration of Russia) at that time Because I Feared it would be taken as an act not in Accordance With the will of Pope Benedict and That It Might cause anger with Rome and consequently cause them to, in Their anger, shut the door on the Plans that [had already been] laid out for a reconciliation.

It was His (Cardinal Hoyos') understanding, an incorrect understanding; That Bp. Fellay was behind ... the possible launching of a crusade for the consecration of Russia. His incorrect understanding [was] that ... the news of this possible crusade was in order to strong arm the Holy Father into lifting the excommunications ... Cardinal Hoyos saw [this] possible launching of a crusade for the consecration of Russia as an act of arrogance and as a sign of going Against the authority of Rome on the matter of Fatima, Who Had Declared it a dead issue, i.e., no longer of significance. To the Cardinal it reeked of an act Which Would Have Caused the Pontiff humiliation and Looked to him rather like a threat...

It seems to me there is a grain of truth in this letter, when you strain it out from the author taking credit for so much of what Cardinal Hoyos had done or thought. As such, the letter smacks of grandstanding over a topic that is much greater than any such letter or series of letters from any alleged seer. That is, this and other screeds from this woman would presume to bypass any assessment of their credibility; they would attempt to take charge of a function that properly belongs to the Church, under the excuse that there is a Crisis going on. Ironically, this kind of letter-writing is part of the Crisis -- that someone would expect they can control one or more officials in the Church by bombarding them with screeds.

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Ladislaus · « **Reply #96 on:** November 06, 2015, 12:29:52 PM »

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I am simply stating that her locutions are fake...

Roma locuta est.

The 'pope' has spoken.

Nice ellipses, clown. Yes, the Church has spoken that these are to be deemed fake unless proven otherwise and then certified by her authority. That has always been the attitude of the Church. It is you who are pretending to be a pope.

covet truth · « **Reply #97 on:** November 06, 2015, 12:32:29 PM »

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I am simply stating that her locutions are fake...

Roma locuta est.

The 'pope' has spoken.

Nice ellipses, clown. Yes, the Church has spoken that these are to be deemed fake unless proven otherwise and then certified by her authority. That has always been the attitude of the Church. It is you who are pretending to be a pope.

Ladislaus, you do "pontificate" a lot. I wish you would tone it down.

curioustrad · « **Reply #98 on:** November 06, 2015, 12:49:04 PM »

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You demand do you,from who, Francis? The church has indeed always been wise and prudent,but the churchmen in there now are any thing but. So Laddie who is going to approve,you? I realize that there are many "popes" on this forum,is guess you must be one of them.

Evidently, richie, you don't demand any proof other than the claims of Dawn Marie herself, which is all that we have. Talk about gullible and naive.

Only you DM groupies are acting like "popes". As has been pointed out myriad times, the default position of the Church is one of SKEPTICISM. We are simply adopting the default position of the Church, whereas you are the one acting like a pope and declaring these fake visions/locutions to be legitimate.

Ladislaus - I have to laugh a year or so ago we were at odds over this very issue but as you see now the preponderance of evidence is definitely not favorable.

To his "dunderheads" a question: let us say her visions are authentic; then like Fatima and Lourdes, La Salette, there should be pilgrimages, processions, a place of worship built, a focus of devotion, there should be healings, conversions, forgiveness of sins. Where are these signs of the authentic action of the Blessed Virgin ? Why so many frying-pans ? Why so much name-calling - by ALL OF US - this proves that division is present and, as Our Blessed Lord said a house divided cannot stand !

Behold dear Brethren, the real proof of "Dawn Marie"... division and bitterness - these are the OBJECTIVE signs of her "messages". 20 pages (so far) of diatribe - no virtue anywhere ! This is the proof we all need to see.

curioustrad · « **Reply #99 on:** November 06, 2015, 12:56:13 PM »

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Holly Family wrote: Very very well said. This latest letter of hers is more proof for many. There are also a small handful who can attest to what you write above, having witnessed it first hand. They do not need to read her letters or read what others in the fora say about her, they have actually had real life personal interactions with her. If they were not fearful of further reprisal, I believe they would come forward with their experiences. If she has no problem scathingly ripping into priests and bishops to their face, you can understand why a mere layperson would be fearful of being subject to the same.

When did she "scathingly rip into a priest or bishop to their face"? I know her quite well and know of no such instance,you either prove this statement or stand accused of being a liar. Please provide dates and names.

It would appear that your hostile tone proves holyfamily's point - you bully and harrass as any good Christian gentle-man should. Again if this lady is the "real deal" the messages need no bully-boys to prove it.

As a matter of fact I can testify personally to interacting with this lady on several occasions and she had no qualms laying into me for contradicting her within minutes on an internet forum. That I found quite instructive. I had meant my comment to be a test of her virtue since I was at that time wondering about the veracity of her "messages" and the response was so over the top, I was glad there were fiber optics between myself and her. It is evident that we should be very careful before answering forum postings since we never know just how much they reveal about our own spiritual development.

I'm not bullying anyone, the statement that was made is patently untrue,as Catholics aren't we supposed to avoid lies and calumny? I was commenting on the statement mayed that she"scathingly rips into a priest or bishop to their face". As far as your interaction with her I'll have to take your word for it,but I find it interesting that a lay person would be "testing"the virtue of another lay person, on the internet no less .Isn't that the job of the clergy and shouldn't it be done face to face?

Wednesday 7th. April: The miracle of the candle

During this Apparition, Bernadette had to keep her candle alight. The flame licked along her hand without burning it. A medical doctor, Dr. Douzous, immediately witnessed this fact.

If a lay woman asks for a Rosary crusade in the name of the Blessed Virgin Mary evidently she is enlisting the support of everybody who hears the message - clergy and laity alike. If I want to know whether the messages are genuine than like Dr. Douzous I might very well put a lighted candle under St. Bernadette's hand to test whether she is shamming. The good Doctor elicited no reaction from the seer - in my case I did and a highly negative one. Even laity may test the virtue of another lay person who lays claim to heavenly visions that impinge upon somebody other than just the seer.

Additionally I am aware of no miracles that give evidence for the authenticity of these messages - a startling omission where it heavenly in origin.

So would like to hold a candle under her hand?My point is, what qualifies you to be testing someone's virtue,especially sight unseen on the internet,your pretentious actions speak of someone who's own virtue may be lacking,so how about taking care of your own virtue,and leave the testing to the clergy.

Now how bout you addressing the untruths posted by Holy Family.

To my knowledge there have been no miracles,so?

Are you a pharisee,do you demand miracles?

I demand nothing - with authentic apparitions - God provides the evidence for belief - do you not follow the Gospels at Mass on Sunday ? Does not Our Lord use miracles to confirm His message ?