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Re: The secret consecration of Bishops
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2024, 10:51:12 AM »
Interestingly, Bishop Sanborn did not cast any aspersions on Bishop Williamson or Vigano when he responded to the email question (unless I missed it).

Re: The secret consecration of Bishops
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2024, 11:06:37 AM »
"proprietry"?  We're in a state of emergency in the Church, and the bishops being consecrated, just like the priests who are being ordained, are little more than emergency dispensers of the Sacraments.  We're not talking about Ordinaries here.  And who's going to "scrutinize" these bishops, we armchair theologians on CathInfo?  Or one Trad group is going to "scrutinize" the bishops of a rival Trad group?  Generally, the bishop determines and is in the best position to determine whether the candidate is suitable for being an emergency dispenser of Sacraments, the biggest question in that capacity being whether the one who's consecrated will start laying hands on any warm body for priestly ordination.

That remains to be seen.


Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: The secret consecration of Bishops
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2024, 11:07:20 AM »
I came across an interesting case in The Casuist several years ago involving a secret ordination and consecration. The main point of the article was to show how careful Holy Mother Church protects the seal of confession, but it also indirectly points out how Holy Orders are still valid even though done in secret and without witnesses.

Re: The secret consecration of Bishops
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2024, 11:07:56 AM »
Apart from what I believe to be a completely subjective criterion above, you'll find that the greatest critics of the "secret" consecrations are various SVs who are nearly all served by priests who descend from the +Thuc line.  Who "scrutinized" or knew beforehand about the consecrations of +de Lauriers (form whom +Sanborn descends) and +Carmona / +Zamora?  Answer:  nobody.  These consecrations took place with only Drs. Hiller and Heller in attendance, in +Thuc's little apartment, and were not pre-announced for "scrutiny".  There's a lot of hypocrisy there.  Similarly, Bishop Kelly impugns the validity of the +Thuc consecrations partly on the grounds of their "secrecy" ... and then goes of and gets himself secretly consecrated by +Mendez (keeping it under wraps for a couple years until +Mendez had died).  It's just nonsensical politics from those who have an ax to grind against +Vigano and/or +Williamson.

Conditional Sacraments have always generally been performed in relative obscurity and without much fanfare.

I do agree with you here. Basically SVs and Resistance are birds of a feather that likes slinging mud at one another :laugh1:

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Re: The secret consecration of Bishops
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2024, 11:10:29 AM »
Interestingly, Bishop Sanborn did not cast any aspersions on Bishop Williamson or Vigano when he responded to the email question (unless I missed it).

Well, as I mentioned, conditional consecrations are in an entirely different category.  +Vigano was already a "bishop", and had been one for many years, and so no particular "scrutiny" would be required just to regularize a doubtful Sacrament.