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Re: The secret consecration of Bishops
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2024, 05:04:54 AM »
I guess that each of us Trads has to "choose" which bishop we think will better lead us during this Crisis, which bishop's ministrations will more likely lead us to heaven.

I choose Bp. Williamson. You can choose whoever you wish. 
Can you substantiate this in any way? Choosing a bishop to follow?

I can only find evidence against putting your trust in man. You can only follow the Vicar of Christ in matters of faith.

Thus saith the Lord: Cursed be the man that trusteth in man (Jeremiah 17:5)

Re: The secret consecration of Bishops
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2024, 07:30:28 AM »
And conditionals are also in a separate category, not typically announced with a great deal of fanfare ... if at all.

I don't even think it was all THAT secret, since Bishop Williamson has told those who asked him directly.  Given who Bishop Williamson and +Vigano are, I don't think we have any reason to believe it did not take place.

Has he?  Who has he told and who has reported that he has told them directly?  So far, all I've read is that Bishop Williamson has said that Vigano has done what must be done.  You said that yourself in on topic and then you interpreted that to mean that he's been conditionally consecrated.  That is hardly a direct statement.


Re: The secret consecration of Bishops
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2024, 07:46:58 AM »
Has he?  Who has he told and who has reported that he has told them directly?  So far, all I've read is that Bishop Williamson has said that Vigano has done what must be done.  You said that yourself in on topic and then you interpreted that to mean that he's been conditionally consecrated.  That is hardly a direct statement.
Even if he did tell people directly, the consecration is still secret to those who don't have direct access to those in the know. Not to mention Vigano hasn't made it public either.  A perfect place for BW to make it public would have been his last Eleison Comment, no? These aren't normal times, so making conditional consecrations public would be necessary.

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Re: The secret consecration of Bishops
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2024, 07:49:29 AM »
Has he?  Who has he told and who has reported that he has told them directly?

Yes.  So, do you think I'm lying?  I know two people who are in direct contact with Bishop Williamson who asked him, and he told them.  I won't reveal names, since they asked me to keep their identities under wraps.  If I had Bishop Williamson's contact information, I wouldn't waste his time by asking him again, because these sources are credible enough for me.

Re: The secret consecration of Bishops
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2024, 07:50:56 AM »
Good observation.  We’re not focusing on the politics of the competing trad orders, just trying to put their actions into the context of Catholic tradition.

If any Bishop can proceed, creatively on his own, like Bp. Joe “Santeria” Pfeiffer, then there are problems.

Of course, we all understand this is a Church crisis and we require emergency tactics to survive. 

This point has been made many times to Bp. Williamson, pleading for him to ordain and put more priest into the field. 

But the answer is always the same, that such things cannot be expedited.  But when it comes to giving Vigano his trad certification… it’s “no problemo.”

With such secret priorities, one would not be surprised to find Opus Dei, crypto-trad Bishops running trad news media outlets.
Thanks, Incred.  I think the idea is that the future priests are coming out of Vigano's new seminary.