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The Saga- Part V, An Overview of the OLMC Seminary Program
« on: October 06, 2015, 03:00:00 PM »
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  • In granting his permission to publish Part V, Fr. Voigt writes in part:

    Now we are getting to the heart of the problem there.  This is what matters to me more than all the money in China. ..”  
    In other words, the loss of dollars is far less important to Fr. Voigt than revealing what is really going on in the OLMC Seminary program, and what is happening to the souls of the seminarians enrolled there.

    I quote Father below verbatim. (I add a few ed. notes between brackets):


    “When we find leadership [i.e. Fr. Pfeiffer] taking itself too seriously and believing that without this person God just will not be able to complete His plan then we are in serious trouble. The strength of the resistance movement of priests is that we are equally trying to save the souls entrusted to our care. Our primary duty is to glorify God and to serve our neighbor. The priest is the key to the sanctity of the flock. If we become saintly priests we will produce a holy people. If we are holy priests we will produce a good people. If we are good priests, then we will produce a wicked people. It is all determined by the “soul of our apostolic life”.

    “Eucharistic adoration, vigils of prayer, contemplation of divine mysteries are a few of the actions that can help sanctify the priest.
     
    “Is this happening in our seminary? Are priests being formed with a sense of the divine order?  Order is the last thing that matters in regards to classes which are determined by who gets home and when.  Order in the question of when a topic should be taken is determined by Fr. Pfeiffer who asked Fr. Hewko to put a scheme together and then Father Hewko asked me to work on it.  I put together the plan of classes according to the time slots and the other activities and it was never even discussed let alone put into practice.
     
     “Question seminarians about what they are studying – the focus has been geocentrism and geostatism while Fr. Hewko covers Papal docuмents and the moral life.  No one can say when these classes will take place. [ed. note: In other words, an almost total lack of order and coherency in the overall seminary program]  
     
    “What about the staff? Who are the influences that will form the resistant priests for the future of the church?  Is this an important aspect of the priestly training? I believe it is.  If it is important then we ask: Why is a known apostate  in charge of the seminarians on the weekend? How is this man tied to the “boss” and is this a friendship that is wholesome and beneficial for the formation of the seminarian?  How many priests have asked the question: “Why does father keep that person in the seminary? Do birds of a feather really flock together and what kind of bird is this “Pablo”? What kind of apple? (Paul Hernandez is alias Pablo and alias Marco Andolino).  If it is true that out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks then we must conclude that our friend Pablo is hateful, arrogant, rude and condemning.  This is the type of individual who is assisting in the formation of new priests.
     
    “After two years of observing the seminary and commenting upon its structure and the formation of the young men, I have come to certain conclusions:

    1.   I cannot personally live in the environment that has been created and is a scandal to me. The bad example comes from the two buddies [Fr. P & Pablo] who seem to be joined at the hip. The “boss” and his buddy consult only with each other. The “boss” determines every detail of the seminarian's life when he is there.
     
    2.   Seminary life requires preparation in spiritual union with God. That order ought to permeate the entire enterprise but in Boston, Ky one never knows what is going to happen that day or in the next moment. Even Fr. Hewko does not know if he will be called on to teach his class.

    3.   For the priest the eighth sacrament is knowledge acquired through serious study. The systematic presentation of philosophy (i.e. the handmaid of theology) forms the bulwark of the priest's entry into the study of St. Thomas' presentation of theology. Here Father Pfeiffer believes he can teach everything together.  Imagine classes that go on and on and on. One never knows if there will be an end.
     
    “Things of this sort take place all the time. It is no wonder that serious young men are looking for a way to escape the confusion and the lack of order. If Father is serious about forming priests then why leave them fatherless on the weekends? [Frs. P & H are often gone on the weekends] Why let them wonder if there will be a Sunday mass or not? Is this the new formation principle...wonder what's next?"
     
     


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    « Reply #1 on: October 06, 2015, 03:59:23 PM »
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  • Thank you, Hollingsworth. This is indeed more important than poor financial management.

    I think you are missing a word near the end of the first red paragraph.
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    « Reply #2 on: October 06, 2015, 04:18:08 PM »
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  • MD:
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    I think you are missing a word near the end of the first red paragraph.


    I think you're right.  It reads:

    "If we are good priests, then we will produce a wicked people."

    Obviously, it should read:

    "If we are (not) good priests, then we will produce a wicked people."

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    « Reply #3 on: October 06, 2015, 04:27:47 PM »
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  • Quote from: hollingsworth
    MD:
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    I think you are missing a word near the end of the first red paragraph.


    I think you're right.  It reads:

    "If we are good priests, then we will produce a wicked people."

    Obviously, it should read:

    "If we are (not) good priests, then we will produce a wicked people."


    Are you sure?

    The point was that however good the priest, the people will be one step down. An "adequate" priest will result in a wicked people.
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    « Reply #4 on: October 06, 2015, 04:30:16 PM »
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  • Quote from: hollingsworth
    MD:
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    I think you are missing a word near the end of the first red paragraph.


    I think you're right.  It reads:

    "If we are good priests, then we will produce a wicked people."

    Obviously, it should read:

    "If we are (not) good priests, then we will produce a wicked people."


    No I think the original is correct. The priest must hold himself to a higher standard than the faithful because the faithful follow his lead.

    The pattern is Saintly/Holy, Holy/Good, Good/Wicked.
    Fortuna finem habet.


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    « Reply #5 on: October 06, 2015, 05:52:43 PM »
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  • Matthew:  
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    Are you sure?

    The point was that however good the priest, the people will be one step down. An "adequate" priest will result in a wicked people.


    No, I guess I'm not sure.  I'll have to ask Father.  I just assumed initially that it was a typo.

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    « Reply #6 on: October 06, 2015, 05:53:36 PM »
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  • .

    There's one category missing:

    Saintly/Holy

    Holy/Good

    Good/Indifferent

    Indifferent/Wicked.

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    « Reply #7 on: October 06, 2015, 06:10:04 PM »
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    Indifferentism is a heresy.

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    « Reply #8 on: October 06, 2015, 06:29:42 PM »
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  • Sorry, I was wrong, it makes sense to me now just as it is.
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    « Reply #9 on: October 06, 2015, 09:04:48 PM »
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  • MD:
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    Sorry, I was wrong, it makes sense to me now just as it is.


    Now you've got me going.  I thought there was a typo.  It doesn't make sense the way it is.  My mind is reeling!    :shocked:

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    « Reply #10 on: October 06, 2015, 09:24:46 PM »
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  • What does this tell us?  It tells us that these folks are neither qualified or logistically capable of forming a seminary at this time.  This part of the letter is the heart of the matter. The financial tomfoolery is secondary and mostly a matter of irresponsibility and ineptness.

    But all we hear from these folks is "the Faith, the Faith, the Faith!"
    Well where is it for the unfortunate souls who need it on the weekend, or who need the Mass? It is in someone's garage half way around the country, or half way around the world.

    They have no business attempting to form priests who will be half formed and substandard even to the new formation SSPX boys.  Warm bodies in cassocks with "resistance" stenciled on their backs is all that will be produced.
    Father Voight is 100% correct and they are wrong.

    Bishop Williamson told them at the beginning to wait, stay in the SSPX, build a network, and marshal your resources, now is not the time, but alas he was ignored and labeled a stick in the mud, who would not do his duty.

    Well, H.E. was 100% correct and they were wrong.

    Back to the Faith, Catholics need to hear and more importantly, to SEE the Faith in the priests who minister to their souls. They need to see examples of piety, holiness, kindness, honesty, and the burning love for God's will in their priests. That is the Catholic Faith outside of which, no one can be saved, that is what may bring them towards eternal salvation.

    What they do not need is to hear about the scandals of Bishop Fellay, and explanations about questionable Bishops, confusing rhetoric mitigating the apostasy in Rome, allegations about sheep stealing, and certainly not the Boston Follies and the practices of the leader's man Friday, and now allegations of car theft.

    Red Light for Boston!, and Red Light! the minute a sermon or conference drifts into the Scandalarus Nebula just mentioned. You are there to hear the Church, and to be joined to the Lord, not at all to be enlisted into this or that sect or cult.

    Resistance indeed!


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    « Reply #11 on: October 06, 2015, 09:26:06 PM »
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  • Note that Fr Voigt calls Fr Pfeiffer the boss and Pablo the buddy. Yet, this Pablo character takes most of the flak on this forum.
    Hernandez was not with Pfeiffer in India some years ago. Pfeiffer hand picks his crew.
    Looks like he only wants a certain kind of people around.
    Decades ago, my wife and I were collectors for the Association for the Propagation of the Faith. (APF). We personally witnessed Catholic donors not being able to give the pledged sum on a given date. They had virtually run out of money at the time. It made my blood boil seeing certain things a few years ago, and this did not go well for me.

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    « Reply #12 on: October 06, 2015, 09:32:08 PM »
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    Note that Fr Voigt calls Fr Pfeiffer the boss and Pablo the buddy. Yet, this Pablo character takes most of the flak on this forum.
    Hernandez was not with Pfeiffer in India some years ago. Pfeiffer hand picks his crew.
    Looks like he only wants a certain kind of people around.



    What we are seeing are a lot of similarities to the behavior of his "Superior" Bishop Fellay.

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    « Reply #13 on: October 06, 2015, 09:34:51 PM »
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    Note that Fr Voigt calls Fr Pfeiffer the boss and Pablo the buddy. Yet, this Pablo character takes most of the flak on this forum.
    Hernandez was not with Pfeiffer in India some years ago. Pfeiffer hand picks his crew.
    Looks like he only wants a certain kind of people around.


    Absolutely true.  He also handpicked a certain outspoken woman to be his chief propagandist.  Has more influence than Fr Hewko or Fr Voigt.  The hostilities between her and the mehican seem to be window dressing.

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    « Reply #14 on: October 06, 2015, 09:40:08 PM »
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    Note that Fr Voigt calls Fr Pfeiffer the boss and Pablo the buddy. Yet, this Pablo character takes most of the flak on this forum.
    Hernandez was not with Pfeiffer in India some years ago. Pfeiffer hand picks his crew.
    Looks like he only wants a certain kind of people around.



    What we are seeing are a lot of similarities to the behavior of his "Superior" Bishop Fellay.


    JP - I have added something to the above post. What you say is correct. At least two of us (average age 70 yrs old) having been discussing almost non-stop, five/six years after their departure, the Chazal/Pfeiffers era here.

    My friend, once a most ardent SSPX supporter ( now a most ardent SSPX hater) in Mumbai would agree with what you have said. This is his line:

    We must not be surprised about these guys because they are Fellay's men.
    We must not be surprised about Fellay because he is Lefebvre's man.