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« on: October 03, 2015, 10:42:22 PM »
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  • I post the following, again, with Fr. Voigt’s full approval.  More could be added.  But what is written exposes the situation as it is.   These paragraphs are quoted verbatim from Father’s “open letter.”  No editing occurs except for the phrase (Pablo the _____) in the last paragraph.  The space is left blank for an obvious reason, which, I trust, will not have to be explained.

    The reader is reminded again that this letter, in its entirety, was sent to Fr. Pfeiffer at least 4 weeks ago.  I repeat:  Father V. informed Fr. P at the time that its contents would be made public, if the latter made no effort to reply in his own defense.  This segment does not describe particular events, but rather the kind of harmful relationship which apparently exists to this very day between Fr. P and Pablo:    

    I cannot accept that a practicing and practical apostate (i.e. Pablo) can be good for seminarians.  Fr. Pfeiffer tells the young men that they need to know evil to fight it (I believe he is referring to his friend's actions and speech). Then as one seminarian correctly reasoned:  “the seminary ought to bring in prostitutes to encourage the virtue and vow of chastity.”   It makes no sense but try to tell that to the “boss”.  
     
    “Now I will direct myself to the “boss”.  No “boss”, I have learned firsthand of the change in your life. Your buddy and confidant is a person I would never choose to be a close friend. He must save his SOUL.  The manner in which he lives; the way in which he speaks of the traditional Catholic and his entire attitude make me wonder why he is your close friend?  Only you can answer this question which is on the Bishop's mind, on priests' minds and even on the minds of your own family.   
     
    “There is much more that I could point out in this “open” letter because one
    should let others know what the reality is. I hope and pray that you reconsider the direction you have chosen. Simplify your life and spend most of it with our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament and follow the guidelines recommended by the  book you wish the seminarians to study: The Soul of the Apostolate. Until you do I cannot recommend this seminary to any serious candidate. I know that you can make the changes if you desire but the first is the one that bothers you greatly: remove the “true boss” from the seminary.  Pray for the true guidance of God and trust that if this is His Work it will continue.

    Now, dear Father, your alter ego (Pablo the ______) has done his best to slander and deride me.  Resistance is not a property owned by the Boston, Ky location.  Resistance is the desire to maintain and spread the faith presented to us by our Lord.  Try to explain this to your right hand man.  I will carry on the mission of exposing the poison of Vatican II, etc......"




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    « Reply #1 on: October 03, 2015, 10:48:44 PM »
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  • Fr. Voigt comes across as holy, sane, sincere, and Catholic.

    He is spot-on about the Soul of the Apostolate.

    He raises a lot of very important points. This sincere open letter deserves -- nay, demands -- an answer.

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    « Reply #2 on: October 04, 2015, 12:16:58 AM »
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  • If the SSPX, or, say, the previous-version of the SSPX, and now the Resistance esp. as presented by Fr. Pfeiffer, is mistaken in its theology or in its sacramental discipline, and even now continues on in the same headlong or presumptuous way with no change or inward reconsideration - could it not be that Almighty God has had enough and they simply aren't blessed?  They all claim to speak in His Name, but are now imploding at least to some degree.  He expects more orthodoxy from them, and an orthodox procedure, and is distancing Himself from their liberalism, etc.  IMHO.  Sorry I am putting this badly.

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    « Reply #3 on: October 04, 2015, 04:19:05 AM »
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  • Some appropriate Mexican quotes:

    “Tell me who your friends are and I’ll tell you who you are.”


    “I never ask God to give me anything; I only ask him to put me where things are”


    http://thinkexist.com/quotation/tell-me-who-your-friends-are-and-i-ll-tell-you/762476.html

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    « Reply #4 on: October 04, 2015, 04:17:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: Merry
    If the SSPX, or, say, the previous-version of the SSPX, and now the Resistance esp. as presented by Fr. Pfeiffer, is mistaken in its theology or in its sacramental discipline, and even now continues on in the same headlong or presumptuous way with no change or inward reconsideration - could it not be that Almighty God has had enough and they simply aren't blessed?  They all claim to speak in His Name, but are now imploding at least to some degree.  He expects more orthodoxy from them, and an orthodox procedure, and is distancing Himself from their liberalism, etc.  IMHO.  Sorry I am putting this badly.


    No you raise a good point for consideration. When God favors something, it will usually increase, and when it works against or displeases Him, He may not destroy it, but leave it to languish in its folly.

    It is also true that these faction have all presumed upon God and upon His Holy Mother to further their own aims, which are not always His desire.

    You cannot conscript God into your human endeavors, they must by themselves deserve His favor and approval by fully according with His will.


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    « Reply #5 on: October 04, 2015, 05:38:41 PM »
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  • Quote from: hollingsworth
    I post the following, again, with Fr. Voigt’s full approval.  More could be added.  But what is written exposes the situation as it is.   These paragraphs are quoted verbatim from Father’s “open letter.”  No editing occurs except for the phrase (Pablo the _____) in the last paragraph.  The space is left blank for an obvious reason, which, I trust, will not have to be explained.

    The reader is reminded again that this letter, in its entirety, was sent to Fr. Pfeiffer at least 4 weeks ago.  I repeat:  Father V. informed Fr. P at the time that its contents would be made public, if the latter made no effort to reply in his own defense.  This segment does not describe particular events, but rather the kind of harmful relationship which apparently exists to this very day between Fr. P and Pablo:    

    I cannot accept that a practicing and practical apostate (i.e. Pablo) can be good for seminarians.  Fr. Pfeiffer tells the young men that they need to know evil to fight it (I believe he is referring to his friend's actions and speech). Then as one seminarian correctly reasoned:  “the seminary ought to bring in prostitutes to encourage the virtue and vow of chastity.”   It makes no sense but try to tell that to the “boss”.  
     
    “Now I will direct myself to the “boss”.  No “boss”, I have learned firsthand of the change in your life. Your buddy and confidant is a person I would never choose to be a close friend. He must save his SOUL.  The manner in which he lives; the way in which he speaks of the traditional Catholic and his entire attitude make me wonder why he is your close friend?  Only you can answer this question which is on the Bishop's mind, on priests' minds and even on the minds of your own family.   
     
    “There is much more that I could point out in this “open” letter because one
    should let others know what the reality is. I hope and pray that you reconsider the direction you have chosen. Simplify your life and spend most of it with our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament and follow the guidelines recommended by the  book you wish the seminarians to study: The Soul of the Apostolate. Until you do I cannot recommend this seminary to any serious candidate. I know that you can make the changes if you desire but the first is the one that bothers you greatly: remove the “true boss” from the seminary.  Pray for the true guidance of God and trust that if this is His Work it will continue.

    Now, dear Father, your alter ego (Pablo the ______) has done his best to slander and deride me.  Resistance is not a property owned by the Boston, Ky location.  Resistance is the desire to maintain and spread the faith presented to us by our Lord.  Try to explain this to your right hand man.  I will carry on the mission of exposing the poison of Vatican II, etc......"




    Why post bits and pieces of the letter? Are you a suspense novelist? Post the whole letter (a scan would be good) and also provide a video post proof of Fr. Voigt's approval.


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    « Reply #6 on: October 04, 2015, 06:25:07 PM »
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  • Notice how Pfeiffer has enlisted shills to join the forum these past couple of days now that everything has started to come out.

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    « Reply #7 on: October 04, 2015, 06:27:38 PM »
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  • Well, Holly- I believe that you are posting Fr's words with his permission. You've been around the forums for quite a while, use your real name, and are known by many. I've known you to bluster and speak rashly, but never to be dishonest. But I have to ask, if it's an "OPEN" letter, why not post it in whole, openly? Otherwise it only serves to muddy the water more-  what little pieces (if any) are being left out or possibly taken out of context? Why do you feel the need to play editor? Just post the whole thing in one piece and be done.


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    « Reply #8 on: October 04, 2015, 08:11:46 PM »
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    Well, Holly- I believe that you are posting Fr's words with his permission. You've been around the forums for quite a while, use your real name, and are known by many. I've known you to bluster and speak rashly, but never to be dishonest. But I have to ask, if it's an "OPEN" letter, why not post it in whole, openly? Otherwise it only serves to muddy the water more-  what little pieces (if any) are being left out or possibly taken out of context? Why do you feel the need to play editor? Just post the whole thing in one piece and be done.


    Your question is fair and well taken.  But six pages (slightly less) of an "open letter" are a bit much to put on at one time.  It would have been a lot for the reader to swallow.  Add to that the fact that portions of the letter would mean little to a 3rd party looking in, including myself.  Parts of it deal with human foibles and weaknesses in general.  Others are reflections upon the fallen religious condition, power run amuck, etc.  I told Father at the outset that many would not read all this.  Some parts would not hold their interest, and, indeed, might invite unnecessary discussion and alternative views of no real interest or consequence to most, and which, for our purposes, might even be counterproductive.

    So we agreed for the most part to stick to the things which actually occurred in time and space.  We focused on specific events, conversations and human interactions, as they were described throughout the letter.  This may have muddied the water more, I don't know.  Anyway, it is the course we set and the game plane we concocted, for better or for worse.

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    « Reply #9 on: October 04, 2015, 08:54:41 PM »
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  • Quote from: hollingsworth
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    Well, Holly- I believe that you are posting Fr's words with his permission. You've been around the forums for quite a while, use your real name, and are known by many. I've known you to bluster and speak rashly, but never to be dishonest. But I have to ask, if it's an "OPEN" letter, why not post it in whole, openly? Otherwise it only serves to muddy the water more-  what little pieces (if any) are being left out or possibly taken out of context? Why do you feel the need to play editor? Just post the whole thing in one piece and be done.


    Your question is fair and well taken.  But six pages (slightly less) of an "open letter" are a bit much to put on at one time.  It would have been a lot for the reader to swallow.  Add to that the fact that portions of the letter would mean little to a 3rd party looking in, including myself.  Parts of it deal with human foibles and weaknesses in general.  Others are reflections upon the fallen religious condition, power run amuck, etc.  I told Father at the outset that many would not read all this.  Some parts would not hold their interest, and, indeed, might invite unnecessary discussion and alternative views of no real interest or consequence to most, and which, for our purposes, might even be counterproductive.

    So we agreed for the most part to stick to the things which actually occurred in time and space.  We focused on specific events, conversations and human interactions, as they were described throughout the letter.  This may have muddied the water more, I don't know.  Anyway, it is the course we set and the game plane we concocted, for better or for worse.


    If six pages are difficult to put on at one time, post each page of Fr. Voigt's 'open letter' in a separate post. And while you are it, do provide a video post proof of Fr. Voigt's approval.



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    « Reply #10 on: October 04, 2015, 10:14:22 PM »
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  • kungpao:
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    And while you are it, do provide a video post proof of Fr. Voigt's approval.


    Please, kung ol' boy try another tack.  Do you honestly think that I would spend a minute scrambling about to find proof for you of Fr. Voigt's approval?  A video, your _____!  :laugh1:


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    « Reply #11 on: October 04, 2015, 11:32:06 PM »
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  • Quote from: hollingsworth
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    And while you are it, do provide a video post proof of Fr. Voigt's approval.


    Please, kung ol' boy try another tack.  Do you honestly think that I would spend a minute scrambling about to find proof for you of Fr. Voigt's approval?  A video, your _____!  :laugh1:


    You're too kind, I'd have used much more colorful language to tell kungpao where to go.

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    « Reply #12 on: October 05, 2015, 08:39:24 AM »
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  • Hey Kungpoo!  Who are you?
    What gives you the right to demand anything?  Hollingsworth has an impeccable reputation for honesty.  No need to prove himself.  Not to mention, much of what he says has already been verified by those with "boots on the ground".

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    « Reply #13 on: October 05, 2015, 09:41:21 AM »
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  • I spoke with Fr. Voigt myself twice on this matter. I had asked him to post publicly what he knew, as well as send it to me, and he told me hollingsworth would be posting it in parts.When I spoke to him over the weekend, he commended hollingsworth's character and said he knew him well. Fr. Voigt is only making audio files of his sermons and not videos. You expect such a busy dedicated priest to stop and make a video to verify that this comes from him? I can verify he sent me the same information from his own email address. This is so sad, impugning an honest man in this way. Over the weekend, I had a messenger conversation with another resistance friend who also commended Hollingsworth's character when he came up.
     


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    « Reply #14 on: October 05, 2015, 09:59:42 AM »
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  • hollingsworth is goring a sacred cow of one of the sects. Such truths are not accepted or handled well by such devoted disciples.