Author Topic: The Saga continue, Part II (Read 7042 times)

hollingsworth · « **on:** October 03, 2015, 10:53:39 AM »

Naturally, as one might expect, Fr. Voigt had his run-ins with pablo the Amateur Exorcist. A number of folks in Boston, KY have. Pablo seems to be an all pervasive and formidable presence on the OLMC campus in Boston, KY. Some testify that Pablo is totally in charge, even of his “boss” Fr. Pfeiffer.

Despite a rather rocky relationship with Pablo, Father V. was pretty generous towards him too. Pablo approached Fr. V. one day about a loan for the purchase of an automobile. He needed $3500 dollars in order to buy it. Father advanced the sum requested. Pablo agreed to pay back the loan at $150 a month, which, to his credit, he was apparently doing. However, at Father’s departure from the seminary, there was still a balance owing on the loan of $1200. (More on that below.)

Pablo told Father that the loan was “the nicest thing anyone had ever done for him.” However, as Father notes, this individual had a rather strange way of showing his appreciation. In his letter to Fr. Pfeiffer, Fr. V notes: “Consider now how he (Pablo) repays me with the slander on the internet.”

Pablo told Father, at the time he sought the loan, that he needed this car in order to drive back and forth from Arizona for the work of the seminary. Well, as it eventually turned out, Pablo gave the car to his son, Santiago, though it had been originally purchased, so Father thought, as a “community vehicle.” Santiago used it for transportation back and forth to work. Fr. Voigt notes that it was “a deceitful way to get a car for his (Pablo’s) son, and not for the work of the seminary.” But Father just let the whole matter go.

Father Voigt just forwarded the following information about Santiago:
“The only problem now is that the son of Pablo, Santiago, is in a coma and not expected to live. He was the humble man who corrected his father and sought to bring him back to the faith. I only pray that his death (if God so wills it) will bring Pablo back to the faith in humility. I believe his son is a sacrificial lamb for his father's soul. We will see.”

I had heard earlier that Santiago was not in danger of dying, but I was apparently mistaken, or my source was mistaken. Father says that he is in a coma and at death’s door. So please pray for the poor man’s soul.

As for the remaining $1200 dollars which Pablo owed? Fr. V., when he left, simply turned the matter over to Fr. Hewko for the collection of the remainder of the debt . Fr. V asked Fr. Hewko to send the balance owed to a poor family with whom both priests were acquainted. Whether or not that poor family ever finally received the money is not known with certainty. Perhaps, somone should ask Fr. H.

In the next installment, Father remarks on the relationship between Fr. Pfeiffer and Pablo.

ManuelChavez · « **Reply #1 on:** October 03, 2015, 12:42:35 PM »

This is what happens when you do not have the whole story, or did not witness the events on which you write. If you have nothing good to say, say nothing. Leave this situation to God.

Help the seminary if you can. Offer to work there, and leave the rumors out of the public forum. No good can be done by spreading evil stories, unless they are through first-hand accounts.

I have been at the seminary. I have seen what has transpired. I will not comment on it, because it can amount to calumny, and it would damage the reputation of everyone involved.

In all things, consider the end. If by my words, I do damage to the good work done at the seminary, which is the salvation of souls, I will remain silent, and bear this suffering myself, quietly. I will not undermine the work of the seminary, nor will I have the work of the seminary undermined, because of second-hand stories and accounts.

I recommend that if you have issues or questions or comments about Pablo, that you take them to Father or Pablo personally, and leave them out of the public domain. If you hear rumors, or receive stories about the seminary, it is your obligation to ensure that these stories can be verified, and freed from all personal bias, before spreading them online, if at all.

Santiago was in danger of death, and his situation is dire. I know this because I was there, and saw it for myself. I will not rely on the stories of others, no matter how I feel about them personally. What I offer is what I have seen, and nothing more.

I recommend that others do the same. It is better to air on the side of caution, and say nothing, than it is to bear false witness against one's neighbor.

ManuelChavez · « **Reply #2 on:** October 03, 2015, 01:00:58 PM »

So here is my question, and my challenge to all: Who is going to help the seminary? If Pablo is a negative influence, or has impacted the seminary and the resistance negatively, who among us will step in to take over or supplement Pablo? Who here knows what duties have fallen upon Pablo at the seminary, and who here is willing and able to pick up the slack if Pablo is removed?

Put up or shut up. That is my challenge to all of you. I will do my part to maintain the seminary, and to help reduce the damage done by these rumors and second-hand stories, whether they are true or not.

I fight for the seminary. I serve God, not man. Despite his problems, Pablo is at the seminary now, and he is doing some good, regardless of the stories and the rumors.

Will anyone stand up and work for Our Lord and Our Lady in the fields, or will you continue to speak on things in which you lack the full picture?

As for me and my household, we choose to serve the Lord.

Croixalist · « **Reply #3 on:** October 03, 2015, 01:27:55 PM »

So Pablo, is it alright if I just call you MC Pablo from now on?

Centroamerica · « **Reply #4 on:** October 03, 2015, 01:32:56 PM »

Quote from: ManuelChavez

It is better to air on the side of caution, and say nothing, than it is to bear false witness against one's neighbor.

With a bare bodkin? who would fardels bear,

Matthew · « **Reply #5 on:** October 03, 2015, 01:41:59 PM »

"Manuel",

Nice soapbox rant, but it's neither here nor there.

It sounded great, but had no substance. You didn't rebut anything. If anything, you corroborated and agreed with Hollingsworth that Santiago is in serious condition. You make it sound like you're rebutting him, as you agree with him!

You seem overcome with emotion and loyalty for Fr. Pfeiffer's group. You're letting it cloud your judgment.

And by the way, we've heard that "put up or shut up" schtick before a hundred times. That all Fr. Pfeiffer (and his followers) ever say whenever Pablo's evils are brought up. It's a lame excuse that's growing lamer all the time.

It just doesn't work. Maybe no one wants to join and help, because of Pablo, and the fact that Fr. Pfeiffer will never get rid of him? Also, it doesn't work that way. Sometimes you RUIN YOUR CHANCES FOR GOOD by sticking with someone like Pablo for so long.

That's like me trying to rip you off several different ways, then saying, "Ok. I'm sorry about trying to rip you off 5 different ways. New leaf. How about I mow your law properly, for $20 (the going rate)?" What would you say? "Thank you for finally being good." Or would you be long gone, after a man tried to rip you off 5 different ways?

It would be great if it worked that way, but that's not how the world works.

Croixalist · « **Reply #6 on:** October 03, 2015, 01:42:03 PM »

Quote from: ManuelChavez

I am not Pablo.

But with all that dedication, I think you'd make a fine honorary Pablo!

Matthew · « **Reply #7 on:** October 03, 2015, 01:45:14 PM »

What if my only way to be a professional singer with 5 female backup singers was to recruit 5 prostitutes? Say I tried to hire non-prostitutes, but no other women would work for the wages I could offer, as a musician starting out.

What should I conclude?

A) It must be God's will that I throw myself into countless occasions of sin by working with 5 female prostitutes for backup singers, because how else can I realize my dream of being a professional singer?

B) It's not God's will that I be a professional singer, since He hasn't allowed me to find proper backup singers.

Fr. Pfeiffer seems to go with A) in the case of his apostolate and Pablo. I think common sense demands B) on the other hand.

Or another analogy, a child made up his mind he wants to go to Disneyland. The boy has saved up enough for admission, but his parents told him they can't afford the travel expenses.

A) He sets off on foot.

B) He admits that it's not God's will that he goes to Disneyland, since he doesn't have the proper means to get there.

If he wanted to be childish/stubborn and choose A), and you tried to stop him, he'd say, "Ok, fine. Then give me the money for a plane ticket so I won't NEED to walk there!"

Would that be a legit response? I can't do X without Y. So if Y is bad, then just give me what I need and we'll be all set. Because my will HAS to be done AT ALL COSTS.

Choosing A) is evidence of a person stubbornly trying to turn HIS OWN will into God's will.

Choosing B) is recognizing the will of God in the circuмstances He surrounds us with -- that's how God communicates His will to most people (seldom does He speak audibly or in visions).

I'll spell it out for you: Fr. Pfeiffer needs to do the right thing (dismiss Pablo) and then come what may! If it means that Fr. Pfeiffer has to become a simple priest, serving a few places (which he could easily do and stay afloat), then so be it! If he can't maintain a seminary, afford to jet-set all over the world, be the head of the Resistance, or any of those ambitions, MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, THAT IS THE HOLY WILL OF GOD.

If Fr. Pfeiffer open to that possibility, or is he trying to make his own will into God's will?

But I'll give you a hint: whenever you have to resort to evil means to keep your show running, then your show isn't worth running. When you "have to" keep someone like Pablo around, that should be a huge red flag that something is wrong, that maybe you're on the wrong path altogether.

Just like a young man who has been dismissed from several seminaries and finally gets himself ordained by some random bishop who will ordain anyone -- such a man is pursuing his own will, rather than God's.

Doing God's will is sometimes the hardest thing any of us can do. But it's precisely what we must do.

Motorede · « **Reply #8 on:** October 03, 2015, 01:54:23 PM »

We hear you, MannyChávez, we hear you. You are asking the readers of this forum to grant you the good Christian sentiments of charity, forbearance, mercy and justice as they hear of the troubles at OLMC in Boston,KY. Now,please remember to extend the same sentiments to +Williamson and Father Zendejas in your future dealings with them--because the souls at your seminary are not the only souls that need protection and spiritual nourishment.

Croixalist · « **Reply #9 on:** October 03, 2015, 02:25:31 PM »

Quote from: ManuelChavez

No one has the full picture of these events except God. I call for more charity towards these individuals, and for less rumor mongering, in which the devil finds willing ears to do his bidding.

You're like an angelic Q-tip!

ManuelChavez · « **Reply #10 on:** October 03, 2015, 02:36:26 PM »

Croixalist ... that would be quite an honor.

JPaul · « **Reply #11 on:** October 03, 2015, 02:56:53 PM »

cebu · « **Reply #12 on:** October 03, 2015, 03:41:13 PM »

M C. If you are actually acquainted with the OLMC seminary you will know that on two occasions - one by seminarians and the other by some laity associated with it - attempts were made to remove Pablo. Fr Pfeiffer said that Pablo was too valuable to lose as he did so much work around the place. The seminarians and the laity offered to take over the roles done by Pablo and on both occasions Fr Pfeiffer thwarted them in their efforts to take over Pablo's work, so that Pablo could remain there. Why on earth would Fr Pfeiffer do that? Does Pablo have something on him?

You must also know that at weekends Pablo is effectively running the seminary as the priests are away, but he does not receive the sacraments. Is this really someone suitable to be in charge of seminarians. Is this really the will of God?

hollingsworth · « **Reply #13 on:** October 03, 2015, 03:50:43 PM »

M.C.

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There are many half-truths out there, and this is what makes this situation so dangerous.

Manuel, I've made two full posts on the subject thus far. If they contain "many half-truths," then I want to be the first to know. I'm sure that Fr. Voigt would like to know, as well. Why? Because everything I have put online was carefully checked with Father. Each of the two posts was sent to Father for his approval and permission to publish. So I think you may have a problem with Fr. Voigt too, not just me and others who are critical of the OLMC operation. You may wish to accuse Father of not knowing the facts as you know them. Perhaps, he doesn't. So please show us where he has either misrepresented the truth, or has dealt in half-truths, or even lies.

JPaul · « **Reply #14 on:** October 03, 2015, 05:24:55 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

M.C.
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There are many half-truths out there, and this is what makes this situation so dangerous.

Manuel, I've made two full posts on the subject thus far. If they contain "many half-truths," then I want to be the first to know. I'm sure that Fr. Voigt would like to know, as well. Why? Because everything I have put online was carefully checked with Father. Each of the two posts was sent to Father for his approval and permission to publish. So I think you may have a problem with Fr. Voigt too, not just me and others who are critical of the OLMC operation. You may wish to accuse Father of not knowing the facts as you know them. Perhaps, he doesn't. So please show us where he has either misrepresented the truth, or has dealt in half-truths, or even lies.

hollingsworth, your veracity and knowledge have been challenged by Mr. Chavez, who also intimated that he was present for at least some of the situations in question and that we do not know the complete story.

Well, by the fact that he has used that assumption to attempt to silence you and other critics, he has sacrificed the right to say that he will not fill in the blanks to clear the record.

He has indicted others who are concerned and trying to sort out the facts and so I say, out with it! What really happened there. If there are mitigating factors which will shed a better light upon Mr. Hernandez and Fathers Pfeiffer and Hewko, then lets here them. Don't let false assumptions and speculations stand for the truth if what we know is not accurate or the truth.

We have the word of a good Catholic priest in this controversy, whose word is also being called into question, which makes it a clear imperative to reveal what he knows lest such detraction and the scandal fester and grow ruining souls and reputations.

That is fair and just.