Author Topic: The Resistance is Over (Read 12390 times)

Bartholemew · « **on:** November 06, 2014, 06:33:10 AM »

When Father Pfeifer and a few other priests left the SSPX and spawned the Resistance, the group was seen by many to be what was left of what Archbishop Lefebvre first started. With the hope that Bishop Williamson would get more involved, the Resistance was close to having an actual hierarchy and organization that could sustain itself with future ordinations and possible consecrations. The Resistance brought out a lot of good points with problems of the SSPX and created enough of a stir whereby the SSPX was actually threatened by them.

Unfortunately, that is no longer the case today. What was built by Father Pfeifer in light of what has transpired with Father Zendejas situation, is seen as a laughing stock to anyone that knows what happened. Everything Father Pfeifer created and fought for is now all for naught once he turned on both Father Zendejas and added the attacks to Bishop Williamson for no apparent reason.

What we have now, is no longer a group that can be called "the continuation of what the Archbishop created" but nothing more than a bunch of priests acting independently, very similar to the current sede situation with a different doctrine.

People, the "movement" is dead.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #1 on:** November 06, 2014, 08:27:44 AM »

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Dear Bartholemew,

What a load of bull-hockey.

Sincerely,
~Neil

P.S. Bertholemew??

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Bartholemew · « **Reply #2 on:** November 06, 2014, 09:20:42 AM »

The resistance should now be called "Father Pfeifer and company"..... this is no longer a movement against the SSPX but a small group of priests, without a bishop, who are independent.

Sure, you can say that the spirit of the Archbishop lives on, and I'm sure that's true but these priests now simply join the ranks of every other priest that has left the society and is now independent. For instance, take a look the original 9 that were asked to leave which are now independent as well, all feel as if they have the "true spirit". Weren't they the first "resistance"?

In fact, the majority of traditional catholic priests today were once part of the SSPX.... I think one would have to admit that they saw problems and "resisted" by leaving and going independent.

The group that Father Pfeifer started was a movement which claimed to have the truth of Archbishop and rivaled the SSPX. This group was gaining momentum until they decided to turn on Bishop Williamson and others. As a result, this independent group has no bishop and no way to provide the sacrament of Confirmation nor can it grow by ordaining more priests. If I had a son in the seminary in Boston, Kentucky right now, I would surely be concerned and want to know how he would eventually be ordained.

I reiterate my original stance that the "resistance movement" is dead by Father Pfiefer's actions.
A person can still attend Mass there but they will be attending a stand alone independent chapel with no organization very similar to the sedes in structure. The head of steam they once had is over and I don't see it coming back after the events of the past week.

BrJoseph · « **Reply #3 on:** November 06, 2014, 10:50:31 AM »

Your disagreement with Father's actions means you disagree with him. It does not mean the Resistance is dead. Father (and 50 or so other priests) still offer Mass and teach correctly. His Excellency still gives Confirmations and teaches.

Or are you going back to the SSPX and refusing to go to Resistance Masses?

You are letting your emotions getting the best of you.

Marlelar · « **Reply #4 on:** November 06, 2014, 11:09:49 AM »

I must have missed something. I've been looking at past posts but cannot find anything about Father turning on the good Bishop. What has Fr. Pfeiffer done to make you think it is "over". What happened with Father Zendejas? I thought he was going to help out in the NE?

Marsha

stgobnait · « **Reply #5 on:** November 06, 2014, 11:14:38 AM »

the resistance is not over, it is being tested, and will be tested again and again, there will be fall outs, misunderstandings, personality clashes, whats new ? nothing new under the sun...

Marlelar · « **Reply #6 on:** November 06, 2014, 11:23:04 AM »

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I must have missed something...
Marsha

Well that was an understatement of mine. I just went to Our Lady of Mt. Carmel web page and found the information, but I assume those were not a transcription of Father Pfeiffer's words.

Is anyone here from that chapel? What is your take on the situation?

For this to be sorted out soon.

Marsha

Bartholemew · « **Reply #7 on:** November 06, 2014, 12:23:25 PM »

I'm looking at this from a logical perspective and not from an emotional one.
When Fr Pfeifer and the others broke away and formed the resistance, it was in hopes that other priests would follow to be the primary rival of the SSPX and would continue the fight of the Archbishop. This movement was gaining momentum up until last week when Father Pfeifer ruined the good name of a fellow priest and his bishop with a smear campaign from his website.
By these actions, he has personally crippled all the momentum that he has gained up to this point.

What priest is going to want to join his resistance when they run the risk of having their picture on Father Pfeifer's website the next day with a long list of derogatory comments about that priest?

As a parishioner, why would I want to follow someone who would do that to another priest and on top of it, his own bishop?

These are questions that are currently being asked by many people who considered themselves to be part of the resistance and there are many people that have been on the fence about joining the resistance up to this point that will never join now because of Father Pfeifer's recent actions.

As a priest and leader of a group such as the resistance, Father Pfeifer is naturally held to a higher standard because so much is at stake and so many families and souls are involved. For him to put up pictures and derogatory comments of another priest and his bishop shows a deep seated problem with Father Pfieifer's reasoning. It might possibly have been explainable if out of a moment of passion that he had those things on the website for a day or two but to have that up for the whole internet to see for over a week shows malice and any priest or parishioner will naturally think twice now before getting involved with Father Pfeifer.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #8 on:** November 06, 2014, 12:34:20 PM »

Without Bishop Williamson taking more of an active role, there is really no Resistance, and the Resistance differs little if any from any other priest or couple of priests that ever broke away from the SSPX for any reason whatsoever or no reason at all ... except that I would imagine they have access to the Sacramental offerings of Bishop Williamson ... until Bishop Williamson passes away (without having consecrated a successor).

Ladislaus · « **Reply #9 on:** November 06, 2014, 12:35:38 PM »

Had Bishop Williamson not been kicked out as a consequence of the h0Ɩ0cαųst remarks, he's still be there alongside of Bishops Tissier and Galaretta keeping a respectful silence about the machinations of +Fellay. He has no interest, and has never had any interest, in any kind of Resistance. If he did, he'd be an active leader in the movement instead of sitting on the sidelines.

Bartholemew · « **Reply #10 on:** November 06, 2014, 12:39:33 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Had Bishop Williamson not been kicked out as a consequence of the h0Ɩ0cαųst remarks, he's still be there alongside of Bishops Tissier and Galaretta keeping a respectful silence about the machinations of +Fellay. He has no interest, and has never had any interest, in any kind of Resistance. If he did, he'd be an active leader in the movement instead of sitting on the sidelines.

I don't what Bishop Williamson's actions regarding the h0Ɩ0cαųst and departure from the SSPX has to do with Father Pfeifer's smear campaign.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #11 on:** November 06, 2014, 12:58:24 PM »

Quote from: Bartholemew

Quote from: Ladislaus
Had Bishop Williamson not been kicked out as a consequence of the h0Ɩ0cαųst remarks, he's still be there alongside of Bishops Tissier and Galaretta keeping a respectful silence about the machinations of +Fellay. He has no interest, and has never had any interest, in any kind of Resistance. If he did, he'd be an active leader in the movement instead of sitting on the sidelines.

I don't what Bishop Williamson's actions regarding the h0Ɩ0cαųst and departure from the SSPX has to do with Father Pfeifer's smear campaign.

Point is that there never has been a Resistance, so to say that something is over that never existed is mistaken.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #12 on:** November 06, 2014, 12:59:34 PM »

Quote from: Bartholemew

The resistance should now be called "Father Pfeifer and company"..... this is no longer a movement against the SSPX but a small group of priests, without a bishop, who are independent.

"The Resistance" was never more than this to begin with ... that being my point.

Matthew · « **Reply #13 on:** November 06, 2014, 01:02:41 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: Bartholemew
The resistance should now be called "Father Pfeifer and company"..... this is no longer a movement against the SSPX but a small group of priests, without a bishop, who are independent.

"The Resistance" was never more than this to begin with ... that being my point.

Perhaps "in the United States", then I would agree with you.

Worldwide, it's another story.

THANK GOD the Resistance is bigger than Fr. Pfeiffer's group, or the Church is toast!

John Grace · « **Reply #14 on:** November 06, 2014, 01:05:49 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: Ladislaus
Quote from: Bartholemew
The resistance should now be called "Father Pfeifer and company"..... this is no longer a movement against the SSPX but a small group of priests, without a bishop, who are independent.

"The Resistance" was never more than this to begin with ... that being my point.

Perhaps "in the United States", then I would agree with you.

Worldwide, it's another story.

THANK GOD the Resistance is bigger than Fr. Pfeiffer's group, or the Church is toast!

Those that remain in SSPX have not helped the resistance cause. Many decided early on the resistance is not for them.