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It's really a summary of why the Resistance must exist and be supported.

In the SSPX chapels, various evils are called "good", while countless goods are called "evil".

I hold that it doesn't get any more fundamentally screwed up than calling good "evil" and evil "good". Once a person/chapel/organization/nation embraces that behavior, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE eventually, even blasphemy, child sacrifice (abortion?) and devil worship. All sins are fundamentally lies, or exaggerating minor goods and downplaying/ignoring great evils -- such as offending God. Calling self or concupiscence "good" and God "something bad".

Examples of this in the SSPX are too numerous to mention.

My premise: a valid Mass is heavily tainted when it comes with this fundamental poison as an add-on. What good is having access to confession, if you are trained to call evil "good" and good "evil"? Once a person has thus violated Truth, one's confessions will eventually become invalid anyhow -- a valid priest is only part of the equation for making a good (or valid) confession. The same with Holy Communion -- what good is receiving Our Lord every Sunday if one has no love for goodness or the Truth? Eventually such a person will fall into mortal sin anyway, and then such weekly Communions will become sacrilegious -- tickets to Hell instead of Heaven.

Traditional Catholic parents concerned about their sons, or the friends of their sons, engaging in consensual sodomy at Immaculate Conception Academy in Post Falls, ID are called "evil" and vilified.
https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/sodomy-scandal-in-post-falls-id-sspx-immaculate-conception-academy/

Priests holding fast to Tradition, to what they were taught in the Seminary, to the wisdom of Archbishop Lefebvre, are called "evil", while those who have grown closer to the world and Vatican II are called "good".

Bishop Williamson who is the most faithful successor of Abp. Lefebvre (some Trads, especially some sedevacantists, might criticize him -- but we're talking about SSPX-attending Catholics here. They claim to revere Abp. Lefebvre!) is called evil.

Bishop Fellay, who secretly attempted to transform the SSPX into "FSSP part 2" and embraced Freemasonic tactics all-around, is called "good".

Brave priests full of Fortitude, faithful to what they were taught, and truth-tellers are called evil, while cowardly priests who "keep their head down" are called good.

Public consecration of bishops for the assured continuation of Tradition, without attempting to confer jurisdiction -- in short, exactly the same situation as +ABL's consecrations in 1988 -- is called "evil" just because those bishops support the Resistance. I'm speaking of the consecration of Bishops Faure, Thomas Aquinas, and Zendejas.

Modernist, Conciliar bishops are called "good" and get red carpet treatment, while Bishops Williamson and Zendejas (in particular) are called "evil" and are actively persecuted by SSPX clergy -- even when such persecution causes actual damage to Traditional Catholic souls. Preventing the opening of a retreat center, for example. The SSPX's hatred for these good prelates is so consuming, that they don't even care about the welfare of Traditional Catholic souls anymore. Their PRIMARY and MAIN concern is the bottom line of SSPX, Inc. -- its power and wealth.

Based on their actions, which can't be denied, I can conclude that the superiors in the SSPX would rather have $200 million in yearly income and 4000 souls enter heaven, than $199 million in yearly income and 4200 souls enter heaven. They aren't content with souls being saved outside SSPX, Inc. They would rather have 1 more parishioner than allow "someone else" to save the souls of 10 or 15 parishioners. They are completely selfish. That is not a Christ-like attitude.

For example: it is EVIL to try to αssαssιnαtҽ a priest. It's MORE EVIL to go ahead and attempt assassination of a priest, even if 100 innocent traditional Catholics will certainly die in the attempt.

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Re: The Resistance - because good should be called GOOD and evil called EVIL
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2017, 10:08:46 AM »
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  • That is what I'm talking about when I say, "I hate the SSPX as an organization".

    If I could make a phone call, and as a result the SSPX would be shut down, and all its assets would be seized by the government, I would do it in a heartbeat.

    Everyone would be better off in the long run. The SSPX is a corrupt organization and it has -- officially, as an organization -- completely lost the Marian, Christ-like apostolic zeal for souls that Archbishop Lefebvre had.
    The individual priests and laity are a different story; there is still a lot of good there. But each of these priests AND THEIR CONGREGATIONS would be better off if they were forced to start independent chapels of their own, free from the corruption of SSPX, Inc.

    The SSPX organization (SSPX, Inc.) adds nothing to a chapel these days except bureaucracy, tyranny, and a strong liberal push towards Vatican II and the Conciliar Church. Who needs that? Certainly not me or any other good Traditional Catholic.

    Any of you who still attend SSPX chapels have to admit -- there is nothing specifically SSPX that you need or depend on. You appreciate your priest, and you appreciate Mass and the Sacraments. You appreciate Sanctifying Grace and the practice of charity. You appreciate the Truth and the Catholic Faith. All of those things can be had outside the SSPX. The SSPX doesn't have a monopoly on any of those things.
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    Re: The Resistance - because good should be called GOOD and evil called EVIL
    « Reply #2 on: December 10, 2017, 01:37:02 PM »
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  • The SSPX isn't my hope -- much less my Messiah or my God. The SSPX might own hundreds of millions of dollars in real estate, but they do not own the Kingdom of Heaven.

    There is most certainly salvation outside the SSPX. The strange thing is, many SSPX priests and laity seem to act and speak as if they disagree with that statement. They certainly think they have a monopoly on Tradition. They have more tolerance for the Conciliar Church than they do for "other Trad groups" not affiliated with them.
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    Offline Kazimierz

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    Re: The Resistance - because good should be called GOOD and evil called EVIL
    « Reply #3 on: December 11, 2017, 11:16:50 AM »
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  • Very good ecclesiological points. Alas the problem of Mammon when it comes to the the Society of Bishop Saruman, er , Fellay of many colours.
    It is easier for a camel to learn to play Beethoven's violin concerto op 61 than it is for a rich prelate to even grace the Gates of Heaven.

    I avail myself of sacramental home visits by an SSPX priest as chronic illness prevents regular attendance.I happen to know the priest before he was ordained and he appears to be rock solid, thus far.  It helps to have this between my visits to the nearest Resistance parish, that being of  Father Girouard (one hour by jet plus to and from airports). Deo gratias for cheap flights.
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    Re: The Resistance - because good should be called GOOD and evil called EVIL
    « Reply #4 on: December 12, 2017, 09:06:57 AM »
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  • Very good ecclesiological points. Alas the problem of Mammon when it comes to the the Society of Bishop Saruman, er , Fellay of many colours.
    It is easier for a camel to learn to play Beethoven's violin concerto op 61 than it is for a rich prelate to even grace the Gates of Heaven.

    I avail myself of sacramental home visits by an SSPX priest as chronic illness prevents regular attendance.I happen to know the priest before he was ordained and he appears to be rock solid, thus far.  It helps to have this between my visits to the nearest Resistance parish, that being of  Father Girouard (one hour by jet plus to and from airports). Deo gratias for cheap flights.

    Kazimierz,

    Since you attend Fr. Girouard's chapel on occasion, what is the best way to try to find out where the chapel is located, and when Mass is offered? Should I write to Father at his P.O. box? I think it's provided here on the forum. That's probably the best way. 

    The SSPX chapel that I attend doesn't have any of the usual problems, that I know of, at this time, since it's a mission chapel with no resident priests. But just in case, I'd like to try to attend Fr. Girouard's chapel once a month or so, since it's two hour drive from where I live (I had thought it was a lot farther). I just have to go over the U.S./Canadian border to get there. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: The Resistance - because good should be called GOOD and evil called EVIL
    « Reply #5 on: December 12, 2017, 10:50:56 AM »
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  • Kazimierz,

    Since you attend Fr. Girouard's chapel on occasion, what is the best way to try to find out where the chapel is located, and when Mass is offered? Should I write to Father at his P.O. box? I think it's provided here on the forum. That's probably the best way.

    The SSPX chapel that I attend doesn't have any of the usual problems, that I know of, at this time, since it's a mission chapel with no resident priests. But just in case, I'd like to try to attend Fr. Girouard's chapel once a month or so, since it's two hour drive from where I live (I had thought it was a lot farther). I just have to go over the U.S./Canadian border to get there.
    Father prefers that you mail him first. He will provide you with the information you seek. :)
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    Re: The Resistance - because good should be called GOOD and evil called EVIL
    « Reply #6 on: December 12, 2017, 10:52:54 AM »
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  • Father prefers that you mail him first. He will provide you with the information you seek. :)

    Thanks. I'll do that.  :)
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: The Resistance - because good should be called GOOD and evil called EVIL
    « Reply #7 on: December 12, 2017, 11:45:42 AM »
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  • Matthew:
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    The SSPX is a corrupt organization and it has -- officially, as an organization -- completely lost the Marian, Christ-like apostolic zeal for souls that Archbishop Lefebvre had.
    The individual priests and laity are a different story; there is still a lot of good there. But each of these priests AND THEIR CONGREGATIONS would be better off if they were forced to start independent chapels of their own, free from the corruption of SSPX, Inc.

    The SSPX organization (SSPX, Inc.) adds nothing to a chapel these days except bureaucracy, tyranny, and a strong liberal push towards Vatican II and the Conciliar Church. Who needs that?

    In other words, they need to follow the advice of H.E., who has been saying essentially the same thing since he was ejected from the Society.  I could not agree more.


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    Re: The Resistance - because good should be called GOOD and evil called EVIL
    « Reply #8 on: December 12, 2017, 11:50:23 AM »
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  • Matthew:
    In other words, they need to follow the advice of H.E., who has been saying essentially the same thing since he was ejected from the Society.  I could not agree more.

    Heck, he was saying this ... much more subtly ... about 30 years ago, well before all this transpired.  He was always opposed to the notion that the SSPX had some kind of monopoly on Tradition as if it were synonymous with the Church herself.

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    Re: The Resistance - because good should be called GOOD and evil called EVIL
    « Reply #9 on: December 12, 2017, 12:25:54 PM »
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  • Lad:
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    Heck, he was saying this ... much more subtly ... about 30 years ago, well before all this transpired.  He was always opposed to the notion that the SSPX had some kind of monopoly on Tradition as if it were synonymous with the Church herself.

    Well, Ok, I concede the point.  However, I don't think that +W was telling folks how essentially corrupt the Society is 30 years ago.

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    « Reply #10 on: December 12, 2017, 12:29:23 PM »
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  • Lad:
    Well, Ok, I concede the point.  However, I don't think that +W was telling folks how essentially corrupt the Society is 30 years ago.

    Not exactly.  But he was rather prophetic in hinting that the SSPX would disintegrate after the death of +Lefebvre.  Absent an actual Church authority and then having lost the undisputed moral leadership of a +Lefebvre, he was all but certain that the SSPX would eventually break up.


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    Re: The Resistance - because good should be called GOOD and evil called EVIL
    « Reply #11 on: December 13, 2017, 09:04:20 PM »
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  • You know...I hate to have to say this, I really do, but this thread should be a good lesson to everyone.

    The lesson is only learned by those who can see the truth I am afraid to say...intelligent enough to see that traditional groups are nothing more than breakaways, more breakaways, and then breakaways once again.  Splintering and further splintering, scandals, hard feelings, back-stabbing, broken families, animosity towards others, mind control, guilt-mongering, and cult like behavior by so called ‘Catholics’ who enjoy lording it over anyone who is not ‘Traditional’.  

    And mark my words....the SSPX has no intention of joining the conciliar church.  Not now, not ever.  It is a wealthy unCatholic organization, and they rely heavily on the young avid men in their seminaries,  whose day of reckoning will come in due time.

    They love the middle aged and older people who come for “the mass” and donate generously.  But beware if you are younger with small children...they exercise subtle control.

    The Catholic church is universal... it is not a neat little club where faithful Catholics yearning for tradition and yesteryear can go to the exclusion of everyone else in their family as well as in the church.....show me where our Catholic faith ever taught that only those who who are traditional get to heaven...and show me the charitable side of the SSPX, or the humility...someone, please show me...


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    Re: The Resistance - because good should be called GOOD and evil called EVIL
    « Reply #12 on: December 14, 2017, 05:49:17 AM »
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  • Yes, I can recall a sermon where BW told us in his inimitable style ' You know the wheels can come off the SSPX wagon' never a truer word spoken....