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Offline cantatedomino

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« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2014, 06:35:28 PM »
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    I hope the Resistance resists the temptation to attack Pope Pius XII or the Holy Laws of the Catholic Church as promulgated by him.  


    Agreed.

    Most of what was accomplished under his nose was done by deception, rather than promotion.

    He was also quite ill for the last several years, and therefore easy to take advantage of . . . He was taken advantage of.



    You do realize, my good man, that this is the same line of bull-hoax they give about "Saint JPII."

    YUK!
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    The Resistance and the Pre-1955 Holy Week (and Missal):
    « Reply #31 on: April 19, 2014, 06:38:44 PM »
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    I hope the Resistance resists the temptation to attack Pope Pius XII or the Holy Laws of the Catholic Church as promulgated by him.  


    I'm the only one squawking and I'm not resistance.

    I speak as a Catholic.

    Both SSPXBrand and the so-called resistance make the SSPX their First Principle.

    I refuse to do that; wherefore you are misrepresenting the so-called resistance by lumping my statements in with their so-called position.

    Be precise.
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    Offline Ferdinand

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    The Resistance and the Pre-1955 Holy Week (and Missal):
    « Reply #32 on: April 19, 2014, 06:39:29 PM »
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    I hope the Resistance resists the temptation to attack Pope Pius XII or the Holy Laws of the Catholic Church as promulgated by him.  


    Agreed.

    Most of what was accomplished under his nose was done by deception, rather than promotion.

    He was also quite ill for the last several years, and therefore easy to take advantage of.



    Both of you are serving idols - the memories of dead men!

    Stop being sentimentalist and be objective about the Faith!

    Under the watch of Pius XII, the enemies of God won their first and most decisive battle!

    So what if he was sick! So what is he was 'nice?' So what?

    Take the blinders off for once and for all!

    You've got a war to win!

    This is not an attack on Pius XII as a man; rather it is a stated observation about the revolution in the Church - accomplished in the practical order through infiltration and outright theft of ecclesiastical offices - terminating (not beginning!!!!) in his pontificate and in the pontificates of every one of his successors.

    Use your metaphysics!! You know that over time the effects become more pronounced, but the cause is in every effect. If we see the effect in his pontificate - we see also the cause!

    It is best not to start a line of discussion if you are not prepared to look at the can of worms you open!


     :applause: A dozen thumbs up...
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    Offline SeanJohnson

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    The Resistance and the Pre-1955 Holy Week (and Missal):
    « Reply #33 on: April 19, 2014, 06:43:57 PM »
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    I hope the Resistance resists the temptation to attack Pope Pius XII or the Holy Laws of the Catholic Church as promulgated by him.  


    Agreed.

    Most of what was accomplished under his nose was done by deception, rather than promotion.

    He was also quite ill for the last several years, and therefore easy to take advantage of . . . He was taken advantage of.



    You do realize, my good man, that this is the same line of bull-hoax they give about "Saint JPII."

    YUK!


    JPII's modernist writings are abundant, and span his entire career.

    Pius XII has no modernist writings to support the contention he was a closet modernist, and intended to be a transitional pope.

    Additionally, the biggest proof of his unquestionable orthodoxy was his refusal to call a Council, despite repeated pressure to do so by the modernists surrounding him (Bea, Antonelli, Montini, etc).

    Yet, this would have been the easiest way for him to accomplish any secret modernist agenda.......just like his successors did.

    As an aside, to continue down the path you are suggesting is a rabbit hole that leads all the way back to Peter:

    1) Pius XII allowed an experimental breviary and revised the Holy Week, so we have to reject him as a modernist;

    2) St. Pius X lowered the age for first communion, and endorsed frequent reception of communion (in addition to chopping down the Leonine Briviary), so we have to reject him as a modernist;

    3) Leo XIII promulgated Rerum Novarum, and therefore (so they unjustly say), we have to reject him as being influenced by Marxism, and laying the groundwork for liberation theology.

    4) and on and on and on....
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    The Resistance and the Pre-1955 Holy Week (and Missal):
    « Reply #34 on: April 19, 2014, 06:44:04 PM »
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    Yes, the "ѕυιcιdє of altering the Faith, in Her Liturgy, Her Theology, and Her Soul".  Has not this sad Papal statement come to pass in our day?  Kyrie Eleison.


    Yes, both Pius XII and Paul VI have given very famous and oft-repeated quotes about the auto-demolition in the Church which they themselves authorized by the stroke of their very own quill pens.
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    The Resistance and the Pre-1955 Holy Week (and Missal):
    « Reply #35 on: April 19, 2014, 06:47:48 PM »
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    JPII's modernist writings are abundant, and span his entire career.

    Pius XII has no modernist writings to support the contention he was a closet modernist, and intended to be a transitional pope.
     


    The entire copernican darwinian einsteinian evolution establishment can thank Pius XII for opening the door wide for them to enter the Church in droves.

    But truly Sean, let's not go here because it will totally derail the thread.

    Best to start a new thread to debate this one.

    But, again, let's stay for now with this great topic that you started. This issue so needs to be resolved!

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    The Resistance and the Pre-1955 Holy Week (and Missal):
    « Reply #36 on: April 19, 2014, 06:52:43 PM »
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    • Some might find it very interesting to read a history of the inception of the Vatican Bank and the Pacelli Family, who came into prominence as the original Vatican Bankers.  The claim has been made that the Pacelli Family were marranos and Rothchild agents.

    Interestingly, Fr. Luigi Villa (RIP) claimed that Pius XII zealously promoted Msgr. Montini (another alleged marrano), treated him as a father would treat a beloved son, and never failed to defend him from his many enemies within the Vatican.  It was Montini who brought Anibale Bugnini to Pope Pius' attention.

    cantatedomino, the software won't permit me to give you a "thumbs up".  Again, I agree with your posts ...
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    « Reply #37 on: April 19, 2014, 06:55:33 PM »
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    Some might find it very interesting to read a history of the inception of the Vatican Bank and the Pacelli Family, who came into prominence as the original Vatican Bankers.  The claim has been made that the Pacelli Family were marranos and Rothchild agents.

    Interestingly, Fr. Luigi Villa (RIP) claimed that Pius XII zealously promoted Msgr. Montini (another alleged marrano), treated him as a father would treat a beloved son, and never failed to defend him from his many enemies within the Vatican.  It was Montini who brought Anibale Bugnini to Pope Pius' attention.


    One day Catholics will once again be able to read history in real books.

    History as a true science now lies as dormant as the Church as True Religion.




    Well, I'm now off to my 1962 Easter vigil service!!!

    Pray for me!

     :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
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    The Resistance and the Pre-1955 Holy Week (and Missal):
    « Reply #38 on: April 19, 2014, 06:59:13 PM »
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    JPII's modernist writings are abundant, and span his entire career.

    Pius XII has no modernist writings to support the contention he was a closet modernist, and intended to be a transitional pope.
     


    The entire copernican darwinian einsteinian evolution establishment can thank Pius XII for opening the door wide for them to enter the Church in droves.

    But truly Sean, let's not go here because it will totally derail the thread.

    Best to start a new thread to debate this one.

    But, again, let's stay for now with this great topic that you started. This issue so needs to be resolved!



    With respect, you don't know what you are talking about.

    Your posts reveal an almost complete ignorance of the writings of the liturgical innovators' memoirs.

    If you read those, and had a wider understanding of how things came about, you would not focus your narrow gaze simply on "under whose watch did they come about."

    If you want to take the time to read the memoirs of Bugnini, Casel, Beuaduin, etc, then we can have a conversation.

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    The Resistance and the Pre-1955 Holy Week (and Missal):
    « Reply #39 on: April 19, 2014, 07:00:52 PM »
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    Some might find it very interesting to read a history of the inception of the Vatican Bank and the Pacelli Family, who came into prominence as the original Vatican Bankers.  The claim has been made that the Pacelli Family were marranos and Rothchild agents.

    Interestingly, Fr. Luigi Villa (RIP) claimed that Pius XII zealously promoted Msgr. Montini (another alleged marrano), treated him as a father would treat a beloved son, and never failed to defend him from his many enemies within the Vatican.  It was Montini who brought Anibale Bugnini to Pope Pius' attention.


    One day Catholics will once again be able to read history in real books.

    History as a true science now lies as dormant as the Church as True Religion.




    Well, I'm now off to my 1962 Easter vigil service!!!

    Pray for me!

     :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:


    Nice to go to the "Vigil"...  don't forget to go to Easter Sunday Mass as well.  It is what St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Pius V, St. Pius X... and even Dom Gueranger would have done :)
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    « Reply #40 on: April 19, 2014, 07:02:43 PM »
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    I hope the Resistance resists the temptation to attack Pope Pius XII or the Holy Laws of the Catholic Church as promulgated by him.  


    Agreed.

    Most of what was accomplished under his nose was done by deception, rather than promotion.

    He was also quite ill for the last several years, and therefore easy to take advantage of . . . He was taken advantage of.



    You do realize, my good man, that this is the same line of bull-hoax they give about "Saint JPII."

    YUK!


    To imply Pius XII and JPII are cut from the same cloth is so ridiculous a claim as to pre-empt the need to respond.

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    The Resistance and the Pre-1955 Holy Week (and Missal):
    « Reply #41 on: April 19, 2014, 07:03:39 PM »
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    • SJ, I have read the book on the Liturgical Reform that the SSPX published.  There are a great many books out there with additional and more wide-ranging information.  Pius XII is one of the Society's "sacred cows".  Read Fr. Villa's books.  You might find his perspective quite interesting.  His entire clerical life was spent investigating freemasonic infiltration into the Vatican.
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    « Reply #42 on: April 19, 2014, 07:05:50 PM »
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    Some might find it very interesting to read a history of the inception of the Vatican Bank and the Pacelli Family, who came into prominence as the original Vatican Bankers.  The claim has been made that the Pacelli Family were marranos and Rothchild agents.

    Interestingly, Fr. Luigi Villa (RIP) claimed that Pius XII zealously promoted Msgr. Montini (another alleged marrano), treated him as a father would treat a beloved son, and never failed to defend him from his many enemies within the Vatican. It was Montini who brought Anibale Bugnini to Pope Pius' attention.

    cantatedomino, the software won't permit me to give you a "thumbs up".  Again, I agree with your posts ...



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    Wow that explains a LOT!

    And same about the thumbs up here too.
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    The Resistance and the Pre-1955 Holy Week (and Missal):
    « Reply #43 on: April 19, 2014, 07:10:28 PM »
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    SJ, I have read the book on the Liturgical Reform that the SSPX published.  There are a great many books out there with additional and more wide-ranging information.  Pius XII is one of the Society's "sacred cows".  Read Fr. Villa's books.  You might find his perspective quite interesting.  His entire clerical life was spent investigating freemasonic infiltration into the Vatican.


    Yes, as I have stated to Cantate, you need to read the books of the innovators themselves.

    Until someone does that, I will not waste time having a conversation on the subject with them.

    To read the maneuvers of Beauduin, Bugninui, etc is shocking for both the tactical brilliance, and the unfortunate effectiveness of them.

    To lay it at the feet of Pius XII is scandalous and ignorant.

    Might as well blame Pope St. Pius X for pushing modernism underground while we are at it.  

    After all (tongue in cheek), wasn't it him that destroyed the Leonine breviary, and encouraged frequent communion?
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    The Resistance and the Pre-1955 Holy Week (and Missal):
    « Reply #44 on: April 19, 2014, 07:18:30 PM »
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    • Well, SJ, overlooking your condescension is a never ending exercise.  There are a number of us who are rather well read on this subject and have drawn conclusions at variance with yours.

    PS  My library contains at least 25 books on this very subject.  You're always welcome to borrow a few ...
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