p.s. Speaking of those TLM indult catholics which the Remnant loves to coddle (especially the former trads who left the true Faith for the indult in order to "be with rome"), i'll give you an example conversation which I've had many, many, many times. It's amazing that they all have the same "script".
Me: I only go to the pre-V2 latin mass. I don't agree with the indult because it's a compromise and I don't need it because I already have the TLM.
Indulter: I know what you're saying. I don't like all the abuses I see, but there are good things happening in the Church and I feel that it's best to be under Rome.
Me: I'm also under Rome (Eternal Rome), because I'm following 2,000 years of tradition and Quo Primum allows anyone to attend the TLM without permission from the local bishop.
Indulter: Right, but if all the trads came back into the Church and fought to save Her "from within", their examples of holiness and virtue would impress others.
Me: I'm not outside of the Church, I just don't agree with modernist rome, who teaches novelties/errors which violate 2,000 years of Church teaching.
Indulter: Ok, but you're like an "isolationist" because you keep to your own group. If all trads were in communion with rome, we would really change things for the better.
Me: *sigh* Well, again, I'm "in communion with" Eternal rome, not modernist rome... anyway, I'm also not an "isolationist", I just can't go to the local diocese because i'll have to accept the new mass.
Indulter: Ok. But catholics are called to be missionaries and spread the truth and the people who are just sleeping in the pews need to hear the great things about tradition.
Me: I'm all for discussing tradition. Let's start with how the new mass violates Quo Primum, is probably invalid (so said theologian Cardinal Ottaviani), and the ceremonies surrounding it are sacrilegious (communion in the hand, hugging in church, lay eucharistic ministers, etc). Why do you go to or accept the new mass if it opposes tradition?
Indulter: I know there are a lot of abuses in the new mass, but it's not place to judge how people respond to the crazy situation in the Church today. I'm just trying to be the best catholic I can be and trying to follow God where He leads me.
Me: Sure, but the issue of the new mass is why the traditional movement started in the first place! Trads would not accept its novelties and irreverence. Don't you see that this is THE issue as to why trads and new rome can't agree?
Indulter: I don't think this is a good idea to continue the conversation. I'm happy with my catholic community and everyday I see the fruits of a lively faith which is built on love of God, adoration of the blessed sacrament and love of the Church. I don't like the idea of your faith, which is built on fear. My heart is 100% with the Church and God will not allow hell to ever prevail over Her.
Me: If I may be direct - who is being the "isolationist" now? You say that trads avoid fighting for the Church, yet you are the one who is avoiding the discussion of the new mass and how its errors are responsible for the current crisis. If I were to join my diocese tomorrow, the first "fight" I would wage would be against the new mass. Why aren't you open to discussing this?
Indulter: I think you're a good catholic who has the right intentions but I will always stay with the Church. It's been nice talking to you and I'll pray for you.
Me: Ok. Good luck.
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