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Offline peterp

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« Reply #60 on: April 15, 2014, 09:54:21 AM »
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    ...the last line identifies the author; written in the third person.

    You're not making sense.  

    The "last line" is:   "...As I recall, no one asked him that question."  How does that identify the author?  
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    The author was there and it was a TOSF retreat.


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    « Reply #61 on: April 16, 2014, 01:22:37 AM »
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    ...the last line identifies the author; written in the third person.

    You're not making sense.  

    The "last line" is:   "...As I recall, no one asked him that question."  How does that identify the author?  
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    The author was there and it was a TOSF retreat.


    If you don't believe the author, then how can you be sure he (or she) is telling the truth?  Unless, you don't want to believe the truth, that is.  In which case for you to say "the author was there" means you think the author was NOT there.

    You're sounding all the more like a Menzingen spy all the time, petwerp.  


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    « Reply #62 on: April 16, 2014, 02:10:05 AM »
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    REGARDING THAT FICTITIOUS CONVERSATION RELATED

    IN THE POST ABOVE THIS ONE, HERE IS THE SOURCE ARTICLE





    Since it so often happens that linked articles like this later disappear from the whole Internet, as if they had been drop-kicked into the Memory Hole (cf. 1984), I'm copying the whole thing here for future reference:  


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    Cardinal: If Lefebvre had seen proper Mass, he may not have split


    Cardinal Antonio Cañizares Llovera, Prefect of the Congregation
    for Divine Worship.  Credit:  Marta Jiménez Ibáñez/CNA.



    Rome, Italy, Jan 18, 2013 / 01:09 pm (CNA). - According to a Spanish cardinal, the superior general of the Society of St. Pius X once said that if the group's leader had seen the Mass celebrated properly, he may not have broken off from the Church.

    Cardinal Antonio Canizares, prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship, made this statement on Jan. 15 in response to questions from reporters after he delivered an address on Vatican II at the Spanish Embassy to the Holy See.

    “On one occasion,” Cardinal Canizares recalled, “Bishop (Bernard) Fellay, who is the leader of the Society of St. Pius X, came to see me and said, ‘We just came from an abbey that is near Florence.  If Archbishop (Marcel) Lefebvre had seen how they celebrated there, he would not have taken the step that he did.’”

    “The missal used at that celebration was the Paul VI Missal in its strictest form,” the cardinal added.

    The Paul VI Missal contains the ordinary form of the Mass promulgated after the Second Vatican Council and is one of the points of contention that led to the schism with the Society of St. Pius X, founded by Archbishop Lefebvre.  

    The Lefebvrists have insisted on continuing to celebrate the Mass according to the missal promulgated by Pope John XXIII in 1962.

    Cardinal Canizares later spoke with a reduced number of reporters and further amplified his remarks about the Lefebrvists and the Paul VI Missal.  

    He elaborated on the idea that if the schismatic archbishop had seen the new Mass celebrated properly and reverently, he may not have rejected it.

    “Even the followers of the Society of St. Pius X, founded by Archbishop Lefebvre, when they participate in a Mass that is properly celebrated, say, ‘If things were this way everywhere there would have been no need for what happened’ and for what really caused this separation,” he said.

    The cardinal went on to explain that Vatican II offered more than simply changes.  

    “If offers a vision of the liturgy in continuity with the entire Tradition of the Church and the theological reflection it makes about the liturgy,” he said. “The changes are a consequence of this theological reflection within ecclesial Tradition.”

    To show that the liturgy should not be a cause for division, Pope Benedict XVI published the Motu Propio “Summorum Pontificuм” in 2007 to establish universal use of the 1962 missal.  

    The Holy Father has taken several other steps towards reconciliation with the Society of St. Pius X.  

    On Jan. 21, 2009, he lifted the excommunications imposed on the four bishops ordained by Lefebfvre in 1988, including Bernard Fellay.  

    In doing so, however, he stressed that they should give “full recognition to the Second Vatican Council,” as well as to the magisteriums of the popes after Pius XII as a condition for full communion.

    In addition, Pope Benedict XVI gave the society the chance to end the schism in 2011 by accepting a doctrinal preamble.

    In 2012, the Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei,” charged with the ongoing dialogue with the Society of St. Pius X, announced that the society had requested “addition time for reflection and study” of the proposed preamble.

    Tags: Society of St. Pius X


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    How many objective errors can you find?  I count 11.

    They're all made by the reporter or the typist.  None of them are made by Cardinal Cañizares.  I find that encouraging.  

    The Cardinal does not suffer from ignorance of the situation or in confusion over Church teachings, apparently.  But those who produced the article do.  And of course, so do +Fellay and his henchmen.   IOW, +F and the Menzingen-denizens have more in common with the ignorant reporter and typist than they do with a Newchurch Cardinal.  That, I find rather scary.


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    Note:  I have uploaded the photo so in case the site shuts down it's still on CI.
    Also, I have replaced the first copy, above, in this post with a URL address that
    picks up the image from this one, below, on file with CI, so it is no longer
    dependent on the source site, unlike the first post is, on page 10, of which this above is otherwise a copy.

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