Author Topic: The Recusant - Issue 13 - January 2014 (Read 3542 times)

Ecclesia Militans · « **on:** January 11, 2014, 01:10:33 PM »

http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2014/01/11/the-recusant-issue-13-january-2014/

Marlelar · « **Reply #1 on:** January 11, 2014, 04:28:56 PM »

Thank you so much, these are wonderful to read.

Marsha

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #2 on:** January 11, 2014, 04:51:22 PM »

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Well, here we go. Another Issue.

And I'm still not halfway through the previous one, as usual! :reading:

I said a year ago that you had better be reading TheRecusant, if you want to have any clue, because it's growing fast. Now you have 13 x 34 = 442 pages to read. And it's not "light" reading. It's not quite like reading the Summa, but it can be in that ballpark from time to time. And you can DOUBLE the volume if you consider the ECs and other letters that SeanJohnson's thread on CI (Resistance Writings) contains.

Don't miss the Declaration by Fr. Martin Fuchs (dated Jan 5th, Feast of Pope St. Telesphorus), which has it's own thread.

Someone someday is going to have a LOT of backlog to wade through to make sense of this whole mess. But at least we have a chronical in TheRecusant and in the various docuмents that mark the trail we've passed down.

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Frances · « **Reply #3 on:** January 11, 2014, 07:00:32 PM »

:dancing-banana:Should one not pray a public Rosary in an SSPX chapel?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #4 on:** January 12, 2014, 05:28:57 AM »

Quote from: Frances

:dancing-banana:Should one not pray a public Rosary in an SSPX chapel?

I can almost hear the noise already.

The district superiors and the Father Themanns are going to be accusing the Resistance of spreading hate of the Rosary. They're going to say, I have it right here in black and white where they say that praying the Rosary is evil and it has been evil and you should have no part in it.

Mark my words.

Anyone who thinks this new crusade might be a set-up and then goes around saying we shouldn't have any part in it, is ALREADY FALLING INTO THE TRAP!

Fact:
When you pray the Rosary (properly!) with 10 other people, each person gets the graces of 10 Rosaries.

Fact:
When you pray the Rosary with a group like that, you don't have to be agreeing with their intentions to get the graces of the group.

Fact:
You should tell the others that they should contemplate the Joyful, Sorrowful or Glorious Mysteries, and NOT the 'Luminous' mysteries because there are indulgences attached to the first 3 but NONE attached to the 'Luminous'.

Fact:
If you are the only person praying the real Mysteries in a group of people who are all praying the 'Luminous' mysteries, everyone will get ONE ROSARY indulgence -- YOURS -- but nobody will get any Rosary indulgence for their 'Luminous' mysteries, therefore, it is a GOOD THING to pray the Real Mysteries in a group that is praying the Lumi-Loonie mysteries.

Fact:
When you pray the Rosary in front of the Blessed Sacrament there is an additional indulgence you get for that, and everyone else who prays it (properly) also gets an additional indulgence, so even if their intentions are for the return of Tradition within the Church or whatever (+F's #2 this year), so long as they're praying the REAL Mysteries (not the Loonie Lumi ones) then everyone gets as many Rosary indulgences as there are people praying it together. You are not required to share their intentions to get the indulgences.

Alternatively:
You can hide in your bedroom and pray by yourself, without the Blessed Sacrament, and you get one Rosary indulgence, and you forgo all the other indulgences, including the ones you would get from other people who could have been praying the Rosary properly in your group, even if their intentions would have been innocently a bit loopy, because they'd be following a wolf in sheep's clothing.

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Frances · « **Reply #5 on:** January 12, 2014, 09:42:27 PM »

:dancing-banana: :whistleblower:Neil!!!!

That's why I proposed the question! The rebuke should go to the Recusant, maybe? Because that is how some are already gossiping.

Those with the heart attitude, "I've already made up my mind. Don't confuse me with the facts," will ALWAYS come up with illogical and rash arguments.

Next time, I will post :devil2: when I play his advocate, okay?

Lest others be scandalised, I hereby declare that I support praying of the Rosary, anytime, anywhere!

Ecclesia Militans · « **Reply #6 on:** February 01, 2014, 07:03:03 AM »

On page 35 of this issue, it states that the SSPX U.S. District has given the requirements to obtain indulgences according to modern requirements. Can anybody send me a copy of the Holy Souls' card or post the link to the U.S. website that speaks about this?

Matto · « **Reply #7 on:** February 01, 2014, 03:28:09 PM »

Quote from: Ecclesia Militans

On page 35 of this issue, it states that the SSPX U.S. District has given the requirements to obtain indulgences according to modern requirements. Can anybody send me a copy of the Holy Souls' card or post the link to the U.S. website that speaks about this?

I am sorry that I cannot give you a link. But I just want to confirm what you read. I saw the modern requirements on a holy card I saw at my SSPX chapel.

Ecclesia Militans · « **Reply #8 on:** February 01, 2014, 04:04:22 PM »

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Quote from: Ecclesia Militans
On page 35 of this issue, it states that the SSPX U.S. District has given the requirements to obtain indulgences according to modern requirements. Can anybody send me a copy of the Holy Souls' card or post the link to the U.S. website that speaks about this?

I am sorry that I cannot give you a link. But I just want to confirm what you read. I saw the modern requirements on a holy card I saw at my SSPX chapel.

Can you scan it and send it to me, please?

Matto · « **Reply #9 on:** February 01, 2014, 04:14:36 PM »

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Can you scan it and send it to me, please?

I am sorry. I did not bring it home so I cannot scan it for you. But if it is there at the chapel tomorrow I promise I will bring it home and post it here at cathinfo.

Ecclesia Militans · « **Reply #10 on:** February 01, 2014, 05:52:05 PM »

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Can you scan it and send it to me, please?

I am sorry. I did not bring it home so I cannot scan it for you. But if it is there at the chapel tomorrow I promise I will bring it home and post it here at cathinfo.

Thank you.

Wessex · « **Reply #11 on:** February 02, 2014, 02:09:11 PM »

Picking up on a theme in the Recusant, I have to propose that Menzingen has in mind an event which will conclude the latest Rosary Crusade. The faithful will be 'rewarded' for their participation in the same way that they were 'rewarded' after earlier crusades with the 'freeing' of the Latin Mass and the revocation of the 'excommunications' in the case of the living bishops. We may speculate that these 'rewards' were known in advance and were made public in due course. This time, if the intention is for the 'return of tradition to the Church', an expression that may be a euphemism for everything that the Society does in spite of the questionable terminology and deliberate fuzziness it creates, do not be surprised if there is another big event or disclosure planned to justify use of the rosary device once again.

If the Society is thinking at a rate of knots, any resistance must do likewise and anticipate and prepare for predicatable outcomes. This minimises any surprise 'after the event' and trains folk into knowing with some accuracy where 'the trend' is taking us. So many people now openly declare that the Society will eventually strike a deal with modern Rome, not forgetting there is momentum in a policy of change which is impossible to arrest using orninary means.

Matto · « **Reply #12 on:** February 02, 2014, 03:28:24 PM »

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But if it is there at the chapel tomorrow I promise I will bring it home and post it here at cathinfo.

I didn't see it at the chapel today. Sorry.

Sienna629 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 02, 2014, 06:05:32 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Fact:[/b]
You should tell the others that they should contemplate the Joyful, Sorrowful or Glorious Mysteries, and NOT the 'Luminous' mysteries because there are indulgences attached to the first 3 but NONE attached to the 'Luminous'.
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Seriously, is there an SSPX Chapel anywhere praying the Luminous Mysteries???

That should wake people up, because unless you came from the Novus Ordo, you would not know what they were!!!

Sienna629 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 02, 2014, 06:15:02 PM »

Quote from: Frances

:dancing-banana:Should one not pray a public Rosary in an SSPX chapel?

The directive is NOT to "skip praying the Rosary"; pray as many as you can, public or private; just DON'T turn in a count to the Chapel or District Office for Menzingen tallies.