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Offline peterp

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« on: January 23, 2015, 07:14:37 PM »
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  • So, no updates for 3 months, no Mass schedule for this month. No issue for the New Year, seems to be all over for the Recusant.

    Never mind Christmas pudding, a large piece of humble pie was prescribed ... Mea culpa ... Now where for them?


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    « Reply #1 on: January 23, 2015, 07:56:56 PM »
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  • Quote from: peterp
    So, no updates for 3 months, no Mass schedule for this month. No issue for the New Year, seems to be all over for the Recusant.

    Never mind Christmas pudding, a large piece of humble pie was prescribed ... Mea culpa ... Now where for them?



    Judging by the comments somewhere else, the recusant's been busy kick in' it with Pablo the Chicano.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


    Offline BrJoseph

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    « Reply #2 on: January 23, 2015, 09:19:44 PM »
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  • It is clear that you do not enjoy his commentary. So why are you asking for more?

    Why should he be casting pearls before swine, to use a rather common metaphor?

    The thought that teachers are busy at this time of year has not crossed your mind?

    Offline Francisco

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    « Reply #3 on: January 24, 2015, 01:43:33 AM »
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  • It is a good publication of the Resistance highlighting the anti-Modernist stance of Archbishop Lefebvre and various priests. Hope it continues and pushes for unity among those supporting the Resistance.

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    « Reply #4 on: January 24, 2015, 06:36:37 AM »
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  • Quote from: BrJoseph
    It is clear that you do not enjoy his commentary. So why are you asking for more?

    Why should he be casting pearls before swine, to use a rather common metaphor?

    The thought that teachers are busy at this time of year has not crossed your mind?



    Funny, he wasn't too busy to comment else where and most vehemently and excessively to the blind defense of Pablo as a most upright Catholic. It's like the Angelus defending Krah on Cath info, takes credit away from the publication.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


    Offline peterp

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    « Reply #5 on: January 24, 2015, 07:25:09 AM »
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  • Quote from: BrJoseph
    It is clear that you do not enjoy his commentary. So why are you asking for more?

    Why should he be casting pearls before swine, to use a rather common metaphor?

    The thought that teachers are busy at this time of year has not crossed your mind?


    Most of the content is the work of others, until recently not even the editorial was his, and his other half does the layout. And as others have pointed out, he's found time for forum posting.

    To think he could dictate to Bp. Williamson who he could/couldn't say Mass for. Do you really think the bishop is going to stand for that? Well now there's competition:
    https://respicestellam.wordpress.com/2015/01/12/the-second-mass-in-earlsfield/

    The problem is he thinks this is all about faith, it isn't. He’ll never be part of the bishop’s clique.  As ggreg said ”Dressing up in tweed and Wishing they were dukes.”, playing at Brideshead etc. faith is almost secondary to them.

    Now the faithful in England are either following the bishop or returning to the Society. It's game over for The Recusant.

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    « Reply #6 on: January 24, 2015, 04:23:31 PM »
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  • What a mean spirited thing to say...

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    « Reply #7 on: January 24, 2015, 05:00:55 PM »
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    Most of the content is the work of others, until recently not even the editorial was his, and his other half does the layout. And as others have pointed out, he's found time for forum posting.


    Is that a problem ? Is it a shame to publish the writings of Archbishop Lefebvre and others defending the Faith ? Is it a shame to get help in editing and doing the layout ? Is it a shame to find time posting on a forum ?

    Do you think you are doing the world a greater favour by publishing your very own venom on this forum ?

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    The problem is he thinks this is all about faith, it isn't.


    Obviously, for you it isn't about the Faith. You simply have some vices you can't control.

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    He’ll never be part of the bishop’s clique.  As ggreg said ”Dressing up in tweed and Wishing they were dukes.”, playing at Brideshead etc. faith is almost secondary to them.

    Now the faithful in England are either following the bishop or returning to the Society. It's game over for The Recusant


    Is that the knot in your knickers ? Being part of this or that clique ? So then, for you it's not about the Faith is it ? Is that where you spend your time and energy, throwing stones at people who don't belong to your little clique ?

    What a big boy you are ..


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    « Reply #8 on: January 24, 2015, 07:05:54 PM »
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  • Peterp,  Sooo... the Recusant gets busy or has other circuмstances that prevent him from publishing a newsletter for the resistance (that doesn't seem to appeal to you anyway) on a schedule you approve of.... and this disturbs you enough to make snide commentary  here because... ??   What?  Do you feel like you're not getting your money's-worth or something?  Your not-so-hidden agenda is showing.

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    « Reply #9 on: January 25, 2015, 06:53:11 PM »
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  • 1st Mansion:
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    Your (Peterp's) not-so-hidden agenda is showing.


    His (her) studied anonymity is also showing, and has been showing for a long time. :scratchchin:

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    « Reply #10 on: January 26, 2015, 10:09:45 AM »
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    Peterp,  Sooo... the Recusant gets busy or has other circuмstances that prevent him from publishing a newsletter for the resistance (that doesn't seem to appeal to you anyway) on a schedule you approve of.... and this disturbs you enough to make snide commentary  here because... ??   What?  Do you feel like you're not getting your money's-worth or something?  Your not-so-hidden agenda is showing.


    Work is not preventing publishing and website updates – it would only take a few seconds to update the Mass schedule, for example. Do you think it right for a layman to decided who the bishop (or priest for that matter) can say Mass for? Or even (over at “CatholicCandle”) to determine which traditional priests are validly ordained? Yes they have created an approved list; they are the authority chosen by God to maintain a list of the remaining handful of valid priests left upon this each. This is the arrogant nature of the Resistance and why they continue to split

    The Recusant faithful are recanting and returning to the Society. There remain a few who will blindly following the bishop anywhere, hence the new London venue. But it is over for the Recusant. Their congregation has collapsed. They can't cover the costs to fly in priests, rent halls etc.

    Soo… there's really only one update that can occur and that is to close down the website. It really is all over for The Recusant.


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    « Reply #11 on: January 26, 2015, 03:01:14 PM »
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  • Your comments are unbalanced and judgemental :

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    Work is not preventing publishing and website updates – it would only take a few seconds to update the Mass schedule, for example.


    Do you know why some updates that you expected to happen did not happen ? Did you ask the webmaster ? Or do you assume bad motives, because you have a bone to pick, or because as they say, it takes one to know one ?

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    Do you think it right for a layman to decided who the bishop (or priest for that matter) can say Mass for?


    How do you know this is the reason behind your 'missed' updates ? Assumption is the mother of all error.

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    Yes they have created an approved list; they are the authority chosen by God to maintain a list of the remaining handful of valid priests left upon this each.  Or even (over at “CatholicCandle”) to determine which traditional priests are validly ordained?


    Is it unreasonable to question the validity of a priest, in these times where plenty of good reasons exists to do so ? Can this not be brought up against many other Trad groups ? Is not the SSPX to be faulted for being too negligent and accepting NO priests without regarding their doubtful past ?

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    This is the arrogant nature of the Resistance and why they continue to split


    Another empty blanket accusation. The same nonsense can be brought against the SSPX, and in fact has been brought against the Catholic Church itself.

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    The Recusant faithful are recanting and returning to the Society.


    What makes you say that ? Any proof, or is it just wishful thinking ?

    And if it were true, what exactly does it prove ? Is not the SSPX right now recanting the Archbishops fight and returning to the Conciliar Church ? So, where does that leave YOU ?

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    There remain a few who will blindly following the bishop anywhere, hence the new London venue.


    There remain a few who are willing to keep up the good fight and refuse to "howl with the Jєωs for the flesh pots of Egypt".

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    But it is over for the Recusant. Their congregation has collapsed.


    Has it ? Maybe in your little world it has, but not in my world and that of many others. You sound like chicken little.

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    They can't cover the costs to fly in priests, rent halls etc.


    Now, there's a sound theological argument against those rebels..

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    Soo… there's really only one update that can occur and that is to close down the website. It really is all over for The Recusant.


    Why don't you go tell the King that the sky is falling.. :scared2: :king:

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    « Reply #12 on: January 26, 2015, 07:01:38 PM »
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  • If I know anything of the UK trad population, it is of a fickle floating one. Those attending SSPX chapels would drop them if anything better turned up. Priests and laity have come and gone over the years and when I attended the first Wimbledon Mass in 2012 I did not recognise anyone.

    I do not know why Bp. Williamson should parachute his chaplain into Wimbledon every Sunday; I assumed he had made some secret pact with Fr. Morgan (SSPX UK Superior) not to tread on his toes. But the monkey is not the organ-grinder and so has less political import. I had hoped the bish would base himself in London and make better use of his credentials  .....   but he has "no authority"!

    The Recusant and London are two elements that could serve the transient trade. A listing of independent priests available for Mass would be useful and aid the viability of a central venue. We have to accept that settled parishes are impossible in the climate we have and a degree of uncertainty would keep things lively. There is something to be said for Fr. Pfeiffer's on the hoof approach. No bishop, no priest owns the souls of the laity, otherwise they are in for some shocks.  

     

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    « Reply #13 on: February 08, 2015, 02:48:20 PM »
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  • So it is now The Yankeesant. The Recusant is dead. A new life beckons state-side (assuming Mr. Pablo can sort out the visas) for a Boston Seminary Latin teacher. It's over for the Recusant resistance, that didn't last long. But at least he's will to 'put his money where his mouth is'. How many of Bp.Williamson's followers can say the same?