Author Topic: The Priests within the Society are Turning on each Other.... (Read 7025 times)

CathMomof7 · « **on:** August 26, 2012, 06:51:27 PM »

It is very sad to watch as the priests turn on each other. I heard it today and I was very offended. I wanted to walk out but did not because my husband would have been upset.

I will not say everything here, because I believe that we are being watched and monitored.

This situation in the Society is really very nasty and now the priests are becoming snarky and hateful.

I do not believe this is from God at all.

I am terribly worried.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #1 on:** August 26, 2012, 06:55:11 PM »

Quote from: CathMomof7

It is very sad to watch as the priests turn on each other. I heard it today and I was very offended. I wanted to walk out but did not because my husband would have been upset.

I will not say everything here, because I believe that we are being watched and monitored.

This situation in the Society is really very nasty and now the priests are becoming snarky and hateful.

I do not believe this is from God at all.

I am terribly worried.

The crypto-modernists want the perqs of recognition.

Either you believe Vatican II was conceived in modernism or you "believe" the sorts of things Bishop Fellay said in the CNS interview.

JuanDiego · « **Reply #2 on:** August 26, 2012, 07:33:14 PM »

What I've noticed a lot is that the ones who are in favor of following Bp Fellay, no questions asked, are very prone to angry, shouting reactions if the subject comes up about the agreement. They bad-mouth Bp Williamson too. That's what probably happens when your conscience is trying to convict you that you are in denial and aren't open to the truth...you get angry. On the other hand, the faithful who are just trying the best they can to learn the truth, and keep the Faith, are calm, and reasonable. Seen it happen several times.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #3 on:** August 26, 2012, 09:49:12 PM »

Priests are to the faithful as parents are to children. There is a reason we call them
"Father."

When parents argue in front of the children, it always hurts the kids, sometimes it
leaves permanent scars. The priests ought to know this. They should not be
carrying on in front of the faithful.

The fact that I see these reports of priests doing so, especially (no surprise here)
the ones that are pro-agreement or "Fellayites," speaks volumes. Yes, this is NOT
of God! The priests who are behaving so are likely committing sin, but you know,
if they were to confess this to their Fellayite confessors, they would likely be told that
they were expressing "righteous indignation," or some such excuse. This is not of
God, either.

I am hearing informed voices attempt to assure me that there is going to be no
accord with Rome. But I'm not convinced. It seems to me that +Fellay is really
devoted to this cause, as Tele says so well:

Quote from: Telesphorus

The crypto-modernists want the perqs of recognition.

Either you believe Vatican II was conceived in modernism or you "believe" the sorts of things Bishop Fellay said in the CNS interview.

Unfortunately, these "crypto-modernists" are stepping in do-do, for they are making
an ideological accord with B16, whose "hermeneutic of continuity" denies the
principle of non-contradiction. I dare say that these newcomers ought to be much
better prepared for they have recently studied Scholastic Philosophy, and
presumably, unlike the young Ratzinger, they did not "do poorly" in it!

We really need to wake up and see what is happening here. This is a turning point
in history. The SSPX priests should not be of two different ideologies. Some of
them must have been receiving corrupted formation in seminary for this to be
going on.

I mentioned to one priest who is well-connected to the SSPX that it's interesting
how the solid, traditional priests were formed by +Williamson, and many of them
had him for their seminary professor in key courses; while the left-leaning priests
were formed by +Fellay. "The apple doesn't fall far from the tree," I said, and he
replied, "How true!"

Quote from: CathMomof7

It is very sad to watch as the priests turn on each other. I heard it today and I was very offended. I wanted to walk out but did not because my husband would have been upset.

I will not say everything here, because I believe that we are being watched and monitored.

This situation in the Society is really very nasty and now the priests are becoming snarky and hateful.

I do not believe this is from God at all.

I am terribly worried.

Please accept my consolation, CMo7, for you do not deserve this trial. It is not
your doing. This is a heavy cross for you to bear. My heart goes out to you in your
distress. Please know I am concerned for you and for others like you in this time.

Nadir · « **Reply #4 on:** August 27, 2012, 12:17:23 AM »

More

are needed

Clelia · « **Reply #5 on:** August 27, 2012, 06:41:29 AM »

Quote from: CathMomof7

It is very sad to watch as the priests turn on each other. I heard it today and I was very offended. I wanted to walk out but did not because my husband would have been upset.

I will not say everything here, because I believe that we are being watched and monitored.

This situation in the Society is really very nasty and now the priests are becoming snarky and hateful.

I do not believe this is from God at all.

I am terribly worried.

So sorry also, like Neil said, about what you have witnessed, Mom!

About being monitored, as you said: my attitude is this -- let them go ahead, if indeed they are compelled to do that. We are told by them to stay off the forums and internet, and I find it hysterical that these very priests are, I believe, "watching us" by visiting forums themselves!

Maybe the SSPX clergy who want to know what we are saying should get an eye-full and an ear-full.

Chiara · « **Reply #6 on:** August 27, 2012, 02:10:27 PM »

Thanks, CathMom, for informing us of this. Could you perhaps elaborate if possible? Was it the pastor of your chapel who made less than desirable remarks and was it publicly from the pulpit or in a conference setting? Were the remarks directed toward a priest who has spoken out publicly against a SSPX-Rome agreement?

Francisco · « **Reply #7 on:** August 28, 2012, 05:29:12 AM »

Quote from: CathMomof7

It is very sad to watch as the priests turn on each other. I heard it today and I was very offended. I wanted to walk out but did not because my husband would have been upset.

I will not say everything here, because I believe that we are being watched and monitored.

This situation in the Society is really very nasty and now the priests are becoming snarky and hateful.

I do not believe this is from God at all.

I am terribly worried.

Yes, but all Bp F tells his priests that the Vatican demanded he accept not only the validity of the N.O.M. but also the liceity (??? !!!). Furthermore, all that secrecy was imposed on him by the same Vatican (but not on the latter's own, and secular media?).

CathMomof7 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 28, 2012, 07:50:49 AM »

Quote from: Chiara

Was it the pastor of your chapel who made less than desirable remarks and was it publicly from the pulpit or in a conference setting?

Yes, and from the pulpit.

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Were the remarks directed toward a priest who has spoken out publicly against a SSPX-Rome agreement?

Yes, and everyone knew to whom he was referring.

I know that this site is being monitored because this forum was referred to from the pulpit, not in terms of Cathinfo, but something similar.

JPaul · « **Reply #9 on:** August 28, 2012, 10:00:07 AM »

Quote from: CathMomof7

Quote from: Chiara
Was it the pastor of your chapel who made less than desirable remarks and was it publicly from the pulpit or in a conference setting?

Yes, and from the pulpit.

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Were the remarks directed toward a priest who has spoken out publicly against a SSPX-Rome agreement?

Yes, and everyone knew to whom he was referring.

I know that this site is being monitored because this forum was referred to from the pulpit, not in terms of Cathinfo, but something similar.

This site and IA are being monitored and reported on daily to Menzingen and the Jєωιѕн handlers.

You are correct.

John McFarland · « **Reply #10 on:** August 28, 2012, 12:04:18 PM »

Dear CathMom,

Since the more prominent of the priests being criticized are about to be expelled from the SSPX for systematic disobedience of their superiors, and are entirely unrepentant, the denunciation from the pulpit looks like the natural reaction of the Society to the rebels turning on the Society.

It couldn't be clearer that the Society is behind Bishop Fellay. Whatever misgivings some priests may have about dealing with Rome, it doesn't appear that very many more will leave. For one thing, the no-strings regularization is not going to happen, so what is there to worry about? You are only still worried if you really think that Bishop Fellay intends to sell out to Vatican II, and I think that the number of Society members who think that could meet in my clothes closet.

stgobnait · « **Reply #11 on:** August 28, 2012, 12:15:42 PM »

yes, if what you say is true, and the society is behind B F, then we are right to be concerned. too many mealy mouth sermons, that tell us absolutely nothing. its not just the 'higher ups' who have betrayed A B L, but the foot soldiers, whom we trusted to lead us and help us to keep the faith.....the priests who have spoken out, are to be admired, and supported, the rest, you can lock in your closet!

Telesphorus · « **Reply #12 on:** August 28, 2012, 12:16:13 PM »

Quote from: John McFarland

Dear CathMom,

Since the more prominent of the priests being criticized are about to be expelled from the SSPX for systematic disobedience of their superiors,

Expelled for telling the TRUTH. They didn't sign up to the SSPX to put themselves at the mercy of someone who would - given the chance to pull it off - put them at the mercy of the conciliar hierarchy.

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and are entirely unrepentant, the denunciation from the pulpit looks like the natural reaction of the Society to the rebels turning on the Society.

It's Bishop Fellay who is shameless and unrepentant, and turning on the Society.

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It couldn't be clearer that the Society is behind Bishop Fellay. Whatever misgivings some priests may have about dealing with Rome, it doesn't appear that very many more will leave.

It's very clear Bishop Fellay has control over the properties of the SSPX and can throw anyone out at any time. Even the General Council, made up primarily of priests chosen by Bishop Fellay was not strongly behind his policy.

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For one thing, the no-strings regularization is not going to happen, so what is there to worry about?

It was never no strings. The lifting of the excommunications isn't no strings because now that they begged for it to be lifted (instead of nullifying it) - now they are constrained in consecrating new bishops. (because they don't want Rome to say mean things about them - do they believe the excommunications were invalid or not?)

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You are only still worried if you really think that Bishop Fellay intends to sell out to Vatican II,

You mean he didn't accomplish it, so we should forget about what he tried to do?

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and I think that the number of Society members who think that could meet in my clothes closet.

A statement for which zero support is adduced.

Ecclesia Militans · « **Reply #13 on:** August 28, 2012, 12:27:46 PM »

Quote from: John McFarland

Dear CathMom,

Since the more prominent of the priests being criticized are about to be expelled from the SSPX for systematic disobedience of their superiors, and are entirely unrepentant, the denunciation from the pulpit looks like the natural reaction of the Society to the rebels turning on the Society.

It couldn't be clearer that the Society is behind Bishop Fellay. Whatever misgivings some priests may have about dealing with Rome, it doesn't appear that very many more will leave. For one thing, the no-strings regularization is not going to happen, so what is there to worry about? You are only still worried if you really think that Bishop Fellay intends to sell out to Vatican II, and I think that the number of Society members who think that could meet in my clothes closet.

"Desirable Condition" #2 prior to a canonical regularization as agreed by the 2012 SSPX General Chapter:

"Exemption of houses of The Society of St Pius X in respect of diocesan bishops."

If this is not ѕυιcιdє to the SSPX on the part of its leadership then I must be going insane.

suger · « **Reply #14 on:** August 28, 2012, 05:06:32 PM »

Quote from: J.Paul

This site and IA are being monitored and reported on daily to Menzingen and the Jєωιѕн handlers.

This was made blatantly obvious when +Fellay succeeded (by treathening with law suits against IA) in censoring the IA thread exposing the facts about Krah's deep involvements with Zionists and about Krah's control of the society's assets, incl. church buildings (even in case of lawsuit Krah may expect the support of Zionist judge, and the French LaCroix revealed June that Fellay will deprives the faithful who do not follow him in the sellout from the church property they paid with their earned money and labour). The spying is expected to have increased a lot since +Fellay was not offered the coveted glorious and powerful position of a personal prelature after the Vatican discovered that there was much resistance to the sell out. Now the resistance has to blunted out, so that the majority of the society may follow +Fellay and +Fellay may get eventually the deal that he and Ratzinger (before it was known that he would be elected a pope) planned at least 10 years ago. This was made evident with the revelations about the conspiracy of the GREC (a secret kind of "brotherhood" cell in Paris involving ambitious priests dispatched by Fellay (Celier, Lorans) and people representing the Vatican (Perrin was a regular member; even Morerod (aferwards elevated to the rank of bishop in Switzerland) at the time from the Vatican's CDF -- Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith -- participated in at least a meeting of the GREC). After the existence and plotting activities of the GREC were revealed, GREC's member Perrin admitted it all (I think last June) on the "Forum Catholique" and said that revealing this now was not problem because all the GREC's purposes had been reached and the cell in Paris was no longer in activity.

After the sell out (and the 3 faithful bishops have been fired), zealous priests like Celier and Lorans may be rewarded with bishopry, as may be a zealous superior in the US, who all did so much work for the sellout.
(conversely +Williamson and +Tissier use the same motivation for the replacement of their own episcopal position, re. Britain's superior and France's superior's and the reward for their uprightness and faithfulness to the truth and tradition. This is the way hierarchy often work...)

The spying bothers me a lot given that a country flag shows next to my posts. Given that it betrays that I live in a small country, I don't dare posting normally. The more you talk the more you reveal about yourself, and when you live in such a small country, it makes it easier to identify you.

So I have a plea to the webmasters :
could you please provide an option for disabling the (country) flag next to one's post???