06/13/2012
The Pope’s decision is now in Fellay’s hands
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The Lefebvrian Superior has received the preamble text which has been read by Benedict XVI
Andrea Tornielli
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As Vatican Insider reported this morning, the dialogue between the Holy See and the Lefebvrians has reached a crucial point. Having carefully studied the content of the doctrinal preamble with the added modifications requested by the Superior of the Society of St. Pius X, Benedict XVI took his final decision and communicated it to the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal William Levada and the Secretary of the dicastery, Archbishop Luis Ladaria Ferrer, during an Audience with them last Saturday.

 
Cardinal Levada delivered the text of the doctrinal declaration to Mgr. Fellay this afternoon, in the offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, in Rome. The Lefevrian Superior arrived at the Society of St. Pius X’s house in Albano Laziale, near Rome. The content of the preamble is still top secret  but as has been promised from the beginning, it will be published if a formal agreement is reached between the Holy See and the Society founded by Mgr. Lefebvre. The final decision is therefore now in the hands of Mgr. Fellay: if he decides to accept the returned text, the agreement will be officially announced  and the Society of St. Pius X will be given personal prelature status and will answer directly to the Holy See.

 

Given the history of stormy relations between the Holy See and the Fraternity, developments should be viewed with caution: in 1988 Lefebvre had signed a doctrinal agreement but decided to end negotiations at the last minute, claiming he did not trust Vatican authorities and proceeded to illegally consecrate four new bishops, including Fellay, without a papal mandate. Many things have changed since then. Today, the Superior of the Society of St. Pius X - who reiterated his views last 7 June, in an interview published in the Fraternity’s official bulletin – is well aware that Benedict XVI wants a reconciliation to heal the wound opened twenty four years ago. If, after receiving the Vatican’s reply, Fellay signs the doctrinal declaration, the agreement will be announced officially.

 
The question regarding the other three Lefebvrian bishops, Tissier de Mallerays, de Gallareta and Williamson will, however, remain open. The three bishops contested Fellay’s wish for reconciliation with the Church in a harsh letter which was later published on the web. Even if the Fraternity’s Superior signs the doctrinal declaration, the positions of the three bishops will be examined individually by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

Rorate Caeli had some updates that say a lot about the situation:

[1700 Rome - Update:] "SSPX +Fellay entered Cong for Doctrine of Faith bldg at 5 p.m. Rome time for meet with Card. Levada" (Catholic News Service Twitter feed)

And also: from La Croix, the semi-official daily of the French Episcopate:

   [In the final text of the preamble] there remained however formulations judged non-acceptable by Rome, notably the mention of the "errors of the council": to put it clearly, the Society may have reservation on this or that point of Vatican II (freedom of conscience, interreligious dialogue, ecuмenism), but they cannot speak of the "errors of the council". This preamble should be made public once the final agreement of Bp. Fellay is given. On the other hand, the original version proposed by Rome, around which the discussion revolved, will not be known.


[1730 Rome time] Just a Rorate reminder: new ecclesial structures in the Latin Church are usually established by Apostolic Constitutions. That was also the case of the first and still only Personal Prelature ever established, the Personal Prelature of the Holy Cross and Opus Dei, to which the previously-existing Priestly Society of the Holy Cross, "erected as a clerical Association" was "intrinsically united", by way of the Apostolic Constitution Ut sit, of John Paul II (November 28, 1982).

[1902 Rome - Update]  "Bishop Fellay meeting CDF perfect Cardinal Levada at the Vatican has now been running for two full hours SSPX" (A. Speciale Twitter feed).


[1930 Rome time - Update] "Vatican meeting w/ +Fellay reported over after 2.5 hours. He went other direction to avoid press. No word yet on if anything resolved." (Catholic News Service Twitter feed)

[1950 Rome time - Update] "The response of Benedict XVI to the 'Lefebvrists' not to be known before the weekend." "Bp. Fellay will have some days to put his signature on the text"  (SSPX spokesman Fr. Lorans, to Agence France Presse - LB2S Twitter feed (La Croix religion journalist) Lorans added that "it will be a week-10 days before further moves, today was just a step in the process" (A.Speciale Twitter feed)
Labels: After the talks (Holy See-SSPX), Decision 2012
Posted by New Catholic at 6/13/2012 10:18:00 AM

[47] As he yet spoke, behold Judas, one of the twelve, came, and with him a great multitude with swords and clubs, sent from the chief priests and the ancients of the people. [48] And he that betrayed him, gave them a sign, saying: Whomsoever I shall kiss, that is he, hold him fast. [49] And forthwith coming to Jesus, he said: Hail, Rabbi. And he kissed him. [50] And Jesus said to him: Friend, whereto art thou come? Then they came up, and laid hands on Jesus, and held him.

I've been thinking of this all morning.

I wouldn't be surprised if Bishop Fellay re-names the SSPX as the "SPBXVI". Short for: "Society of Pope Benedict XVI".

Why not? Fellay treats him like he's a St. Pius X anyway...

℟. O Juda, qui dereliquísti consílium pacis, et cuм Judæis consiliátus es: trigínta argénteis vendidísti Sánguinem justum: * Et pacis ósculum ferébas, quod in péctore non habébas.
   ℣. Os tuum abundávit malítia, et lingua tua concinnábat dolos. * Et pacis ósculum ferébas, quod in péctore non habébas.

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℟. O Judas, who didst forsake the counsel of Peace, and hast taken counsel with the Jєωs: for thirty pieces of silver hast thou sold just Blood: * And thou didst offer the kiss of the peace which thou didst not have in thy heart.
   ℣. Thy mouth hath abounded in malice, and thy tongue hath forged guiles.  * And thou didst offer the kiss of the peace which thou didst not have in thy heart.

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   ix. ℣., Maundy Thursday, (Cf. S. Matt. cap. xxvi. 14, 15. Cf. S. Marc. cap. xiv. 10, 11. Cf. S. Luc. cap. xxii. 3, 4, 5. Cf. S. Joan. cap. xiii. 21 sqq. Ps. xlix. 19)[/size]

Actually, there is an interesting connection. The source is a renowned Priest who would now be considered a "sedevacantist," but nonetheless it is fitting for the faithful of the SSPX to lend ear to what he wrote in 1973.

In his book, Sede Vacante: "Paulo VI no es legítimo Papa"  (México, DF: Editores Asociados, S. de R. L., 1973), Rev. Father Joaquín Sáenz y Arriaga wrote (a rough partial English translation follows):

The Key to the Enigma: The Pastoral Vatican II Council

     The world believes that John XXIII, the good Pope, was the one who convoked the Pastoral Vatican II Council. The truth is, as León de Poincins has told us in his book "Judaism in the Vatican," that numerous Jєωιѕн organizations and personalities have for a long time sought to introduce into the Church the reforms proposed and realized in that Council, with the intention of modifying its attitude and its teaching regarding Judaism. It was these Jєωs who, from without and within the Church, compelled the incredible reforms, proposed and realized in that lamentable Council, and who, with satanic and non-dissimulated satisfaction, now make merry of having been the ones who planned, and convoked, and directed Vatican II. [...][/size]

More of the translation to come soon...

Don't worry, we have one less downvoter now.

I believe all the downvotes in this thread came from "Dino", who has been banned.

My take on him is that he is confused and ignorant -- I don't attribute any malice to him. But for those of you wondering "Why did I ban him then?" please feel free to re-read my post on this topic:

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/CathInfo-position-on-allowing-Bp-Fellay-supporters-here

Gospel of St. Matthew, chapter 26:

[14] Then went one of the twelve, who was called Judas Iscariot, to the chief priests, [15] And said to them: What will you give me, and I will deliver him unto you? But they appointed him thirty pieces of silver. [16] And from thenceforth he sought opportunity to betray him.


And then...


[47] As he yet spoke, behold Judas, one of the twelve, came, and with him a great multitude with swords and clubs, sent from the chief priests and the ancients of the people. [48] And he that betrayed him, gave them a sign, saying: Whomsoever I shall kiss, that is he, hold him fast. [49] And forthwith coming to Jesus, he said: Hail, Rabbi. And he kissed him. [50] And Jesus said to him: Friend, whereto art thou come? Then they came up, and laid hands on Jesus, and held him.

So true!