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Title: The Pope is less Catholic than us.
Post by: Centroamerica on April 01, 2015, 06:17:14 PM
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Ultra-traditional Catholics rebel against pope in Brazil: ‘He is less Catholic than us’


 At a secluded monastery outside Nova Friburgo in Brazil, a breakaway group of ultra-traditional Catholics has gathered to participate in an act of rebellion against the pope. Photograph: Jonathan Watts for the Guardian
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Hailing from around the world, a group led by an excommunicated bishop call themselves a ‘resistance’ movement against Vatican reforms. The response from the Vatican was swift and unequivocal: ‘Excommunication is automatic’



In a secluded monastery in south-eastern Brazil, a breakaway group of ultra-conservative Catholics gathered to participate in an act of rebellion against the pope.
The setting could hardly have been more tranquil: rolling green hills, purple-glory trees, palm leaves swaying in the wind and a temporary chapel made of breeze block walls and a tin roof left partially open to the elements.
But the 50 or so priests, Benedictine monks, nuns and other worshippers who file into Santa Cruz monastery on Saturday were no ordinary congregation. Hailing from Europe, the US and Latin America, they described themselves as a “resistance” movement against Vatican reforms.
In favour of Latin services – and fiercely opposed to ecuмenism, freedom of religion and closer relations with Judaism – they had come to defy the authority of Rome with the ordination of a new priest by an excommunicated bishop, Jean-Michel Faure.







It was the second such ceremony in the past month: Faure was consecrated here without papal approval only two weeks ago by the h0Ɩ0cαųst-denying British bishop Richard Williamson. In response, both clerics were automatically ejected from the church, but this has not stopped the group’s drive to build an unsanctioned clergy.

The ceremony harked back to an earlier, more conservative age. Women sat on one side of the aisle, their heads – even the youngest girls – covered in scarves. Over three hours, the liturgy was almost entirely in Latin, as were the hymns sung by a choir of monks accompanied by a nun on an electric organ.
Before his ordination, brother André Zelaya de León prostrated himself before the altar and then rose to his knees for a blessing on his tonsured head by Faure. At times, the prayers were so quiet that they almost drowned out by the cicadas and birds in the trees.

After the mass, Faure told the Guardian the Vatican was smashing tradition, and going against the teachings of Pius X, a staunch conservative who was pope between 1903 and 1914.Apart from the digital cameras, cellphones – and the electric organ – the ceremony would have been recognisable to centuries of Catholic believers before what today’s ultra-conservatives consider to be the wrong turn taken by the Catholic church with the democratising reforms of the 1962 Second Vatican Council.
“We do not follow that revolution. The current pope is preaching doctrine denied by Pius X. He is less Catholic than us,” he said. “He does not follow the doctrine of the faith that are the words of Jesus Christ.”
The Vatican’s response to the ordination was unequivocal.
“Excommunication is automatic,” a spokesman said. He added: “For the Holy See, the diocese of Santa Cruz in Nova Friburgo does not exist. Faure can say what he wants, but a Catholic, and even more so a bishop, obeys and respects the pope.”
Faure, a French cleric who has worked in Mexico and Argentina, said he did not accept this ruling.
“Canon law states that excommunication is valid if it follows a mortal sin. But ours is not a mortal sin. We’re just following our religion. To do this, we need priests, and to have priests we need bishops.”
He compared his situation to that of other Catholics in history, such as Joan of Arc, who were initially excommunicated but later recognised for their contribution to the Church. “Although we are a minority now, if you look at history, we are a majority. There all the saints, 250 popes and all the Catholics who think exactly as we think.”

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 Women sat on one side of the aisle, their heads – even the youngest girls – covered in scarves. Photograph: Jonathan Watts for the Guardian

Faure said he only reluctantly become a bishop in case Williamson died in an accident, which would leave the group without the means to ordain priests.
Though he did not say it, the French bishop may also be replacing his British counterpart as a spokesman for the movement. Williamson has repeatedly stirred up controversy with comments denying the h0Ɩ0cαųst, praising the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, as a peacemaker, warning that Muslims are taking over Europe, and claiming that women are dominating corporations and the military because they are not fulfilling their natural role “making babies”.
Williamson was one of four bishops illegally ordained in 1988 by a French Roman Catholic archbishop called Marcel Lefebvre, the founder of the Society of St Pius X and an outspoken critic of the liberalisation of certain church practices following the Second Vatican Council, including the widespread use of vernacular language rather than Latin in mass, inter-faith dialogue and efforts to communicate with the secular world.
Lefebvre and all four bishops were immediately excommunicated for participating in the illicit ordinations, but their movement has been a thorn in the Vatican’s side ever since.
Only about one million Catholics – or 0.1% of the Catholic population – describe themselves as followers of St Pius X, but successive popes have attempted to heal the rift with them.
In 2009, Pope Benedict ignited controversy by lifting the excommunication of the four bishops and even promised the rebel group autonomy from bishops they considered too liberal.
This quickly backfired when it was revealed that Williamson had alleged that no Jєωs were killed in gas chambers, that the US orchestrated the 9/11 terrorist attacks and that freemasons were conspiring to destroy Catholicism.
The Vatican said at the time that Benedict had not been aware of Williamson’s views on the h0Ɩ0cαųst. In 2012, Williamson was dismissed by the St Pius X fraternity in part because he disagreed with their willingness to communicate with Rome. Faure has also been ejected by the society and his ordination unrecognised.
“All the declarations of Bishop Williamson and Fr Faure prove abundantly that they no longer recognize the Roman authorities, except in a purely rhetorical manner,” the society said in a communique issued after his ordination.
In contrast to his predecessor, Pope Francis has paid little attention to the ultra-conservatives.
Williamson has declared that he does not intend to start a new society, but the movement has now created a new bishop and a priest, and Faure claimed that there were at least two bishops in the Society of St Pius X who sympathised with the self-styled “Resistance”.

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 A ceremony at the monastery outside Nova Friburgo in south-eastern Brazil. Photograph: Jonathan Watts for the Guardian

In conversation, the traditionalists appear to be hoping for a divine and dramatic intervention. Williamson, who describes himself as a “bloody-minded Brit”, has said he expects a “gigantic chastisement” such as Noah’s flood.
Faure talks more of a coming third world war.
“It would be horrible, but it would change the world. But the day after wouldn’t be like the day before,” Faure said, pointing to the conflicts in Ukraine, Syria and Iraq. “It would change many things in the world. It would be a new approach in many aspects and why not, in religion.”
For the moment, however, their group of roughly 55 rebel clergy has to rely on stubborn faith.
René Trincado, a priest from Chile, who was expelled from the Society of St Pius X in 2013 because he opposed an accord with the Vatican, is among those at the Santa Cruz monastery, which he described as the base of the resistance operations in Brazil.
“We’re not afraid of excommunication. It has no validity,” he said
Title: The Pope is less Catholic than us.
Post by: Matthew on April 01, 2015, 06:23:35 PM
These mainstream news stories touching on our Faith are so distorted, full of lies and errors that it's painful to read them.

Just like a person who lives on whole, organic foods gets a stomachache after eating at McDonald's, it's disturbing to read such error masquerading as truth, when I have a sensitive appetite for the truth.

Title: The Pope is less Catholic than us.
Post by: Matto on April 01, 2015, 06:39:56 PM
Quote from: Matthew
These mainstream news stories touching on our Faith are so distorted, full of lies and errors that it's painful to read them.

Just like a person who lives on whole, organic foods gets a stomachache after eating at McDonald's, it's disturbing to read such error masquerading as truth, when I have a sensitive appetite for the truth.


I agree.
Title: The Pope is less Catholic than us.
Post by: Pilar on April 01, 2015, 10:06:51 PM
Quote from: Matthew
These mainstream news stories touching on our Faith are so distorted, full of lies and errors that it's painful to read them.

Just like a person who lives on whole, organic foods gets a stomachache after eating at McDonald's, it's disturbing to read such error masquerading as truth, when I have a sensitive appetite for the truth.



Yes, I hate these stories also, but soldiers cannot afford to be squeamish. We need to be informed of what was actually said, and what they said was said, so that we can get the real story out. I am just grateful that Centroamerica is here to give us the birds eye view of the interview. His information was invaluable.
Title: The Pope is less Catholic than us.
Post by: tdrev123 on April 01, 2015, 11:53:58 PM
Ya, but you guys do think you are more 'Catholic' than the Pope...

The Pope is not Catholic, he is a heretic, he is not the Pope.

If you believe that you cannot go to the same mass (NO) as the mass that the 'Pope' says, you believe you are more Catholic than he is...

I am more Catholic than the "Pope" because he is not Catholic and an antipope.

You reject teachings, encyclicals, and the Mass of your 'Pope'.

You call it recognize and resistance...but you are wrong.  

You like to quote St. Bellarmine about resisting a Pope...but he did not mention recognizing him in that part.  He also said you can reject the Pope and not follow him.  A Heretic who is considered the Pope should be treated as a warlock, not a 'bad pope'. (cuм ex app.)  

I am a member of the resistance, I resist the Novus Ordo, I also reject the Novus Ordo and their phony Pope, you only do half of it...

You have to submit to a true Pontiff, that is a fact...you do not submit in any way, you have Mass outside the Popes authority, and reject all his teachings.  You should reject those teachings but you do not reject the Heretic!  You either submit or reject the Pope.  True resistance is rejecting the Pope and declaring him a heretic!  What you are doing is disobedience to your Pope.  

I look forward to my ban by Matthew for using common sense.
No, I am not a "Dogmatic Sedevacantist" but It has been too long on this forum that anyone really starts to question the ludicrosy of the overall "resistance".

Your "Pope" and most other NO priests consider you protestants and schematics! Wake up and smell the roses they are heretics and not even remotely Catholic!  

As I will most likely be banned, goodbye. Vivo Christo Rey!
Title: The Pope is less Catholic than us.
Post by: BTNYC on April 02, 2015, 01:41:38 AM
Quote from: tdrev123
Ya, but you guys do think you are more 'Catholic' than the Pope...

The Pope is not Catholic, he is a heretic, he is not the Pope.

If you believe that you cannot go to the same mass (NO) as the mass that the 'Pope' says, you believe you are more Catholic than he is...

I am more Catholic than the "Pope" because he is not Catholic and an antipope.

You reject teachings, encyclicals, and the Mass of your 'Pope'.

You call it recognize and resistance...but you are wrong.  

You like to quote St. Bellarmine about resisting a Pope...but he did not mention recognizing him in that part.  He also said you can reject the Pope and not follow him.  A Heretic who is considered the Pope should be treated as a warlock, not a 'bad pope'. (cuм ex app.)  

I am a member of the resistance, I resist the Novus Ordo, I also reject the Novus Ordo and their phony Pope, you only do half of it...

You have to submit to a true Pontiff, that is a fact...you do not submit in any way, you have Mass outside the Popes authority, and reject all his teachings.  You should reject those teachings but you do not reject the Heretic!  You either submit or reject the Pope.  True resistance is rejecting the Pope and declaring him a heretic!  What you are doing is disobedience to your Pope.  

I look forward to my ban by Matthew for using common sense.
No, I am not a "Dogmatic Sedevacantist" but It has been too long on this forum that anyone really starts to question the ludicrosy of the overall "resistance".

Your "Pope" and most other NO priests consider you protestants and schematics! Wake up and smell the roses they are heretics and not even remotely Catholic!  

As I will most likely be banned, goodbye. Vivo Christo Rey!


Goodbye, Myrna. I thought you'd left already.