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Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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The pilgrims of the Tridentine Latin Rite
« on: August 04, 2012, 07:03:01 PM »
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  • http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/homepage/the-vatican/detail/articolo/cristiani-antichi-walter-brandmueller-17253/



    08/ 2/2012
    The pilgrims of the Tridentine Latin Rite
    A Tridentine Mass

    Year of Faith: The first meeting of faithful in favour of the rules of the “Summorum Pontificuм” has been called for 3 November and will take place in the Vatican. The faithful are hoping for a speech from the Pope

    Andrea Tornielli
    vatican city

     
    The faithful who follow the traditional Latin rite of Mass thanks to the Summorum Pontificuм, the Apostolic Letter issued “motu proprio” by Benedict XVI IN 2007, will meet in Rome for a pilgrimage linked to the Year of Faith. The pilgrimage will conclude with a Mass celebration in St. Peter’s Basilica. The news was announced in the last few hours.


     “Various representatives of groups of lay faithful, including the international federation One Voice and the Italian Summorum Pontificuм’s National Coordination office have just instituted the “Coetus internationalis pro Summorum Pontificuм” in Rome. The purpose of this is to organise an international pilgrimage of pro Summorum Pontificuм associations, groups and movements during the Year of Faith. The pilgrimage will end with a Mass celebration in St. Peter’s on Saturday 3 November 2012. An official presentation of the event will be given on 10 September.”


     Organisers have explained that the event is intended as “a big mobilization initiative in Rome, leading all faithful who are devoted to the Holy Liturgy and the Holy Father, the Pope, on a pilgrimage of prayer. Now more than ever, with all the attacks on his sacred person, the Pope is in need of our unanimous manifestation of affection, obedience and charitable support. Let the organising begin.”


    This will not the first time the Latin Rite Mass of 1962 - according to the last of the Missals that precede the post-conciliar liturgical reform - celebrated in St. Peter’s. German cardinal Walter Brandmüller presided over a traditional rite mass in St. Peter’s Basilica on 17 March 2011, at the end of a convention on the Summorum Pontificuм issued “motu proprio” in Rome.


     Organisers said nothing about a potential meeting with the Pope, although the Coetus internationalis pro Summorum Pontificuм is hoping that Benedict XVI will be present and greet pilgrims who will come to Rome from all across the world.
     

    In September 2010, three years after the implementation of the “motu proprio”, the Paix Liturgique
    group published some figures on the situation in a newsletter. The quantitative and qualitative study concerned thirty countries where Catholicism has the strongest presence. It looked into the number of traditional masses on offer, their frequency and the times held, to assess for example whether these times were convenient for families. The situation was monitored in Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Switzerland, the Czech Republic, Germany, Italy, the United Kingdom, Poland, France, the Netherlands, Hungary, Austria, Canada, the United States, Mexico, Colombia, Chile, Brazil, Argentina, Australia, India, the Philippines, New Zealand, South Africa, Gabon and Nigeria.

     
    The data was obtained from two independent sources. The findings revealed that the Tridentine Mass is celebrated in 1.444 locations. Of these, 340 celebrate mass once a week; 313 celebrate Sunday mass but not regularly, so not every week; 324 celebrate mass every Sunday but at times that are not convenient for families (so not between 9 and 12). Finally, 467 places celebrate mass every Sunday at family friendly times. Essentially, one in three masses are family friendly (32, 3%), whilst one in four masses is not celebrated on Sunday.
     
    An interesting comparison can be drawn between the masses celebrated by the Society of St. Pius X, not taken into account in the first figure which did take into consideration masses celebrated according to Benedict XVI’s “motu proprio”. Lefebvrian groups organise a total of 690 masses and one in two of these is celebrated according to Benedict XVI’s “motu proprio” and in full communion with the Roman Catholic Church. Despite the difficulties and the resistance shown, a growing number of people are slowly becoming familiar with the Traditional Rite Mass.

     
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    (St. Clement Mary Hofbauer)


    Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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    « Reply #1 on: August 06, 2012, 08:05:33 AM »
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    n interesting comparison can be drawn between the masses celebrated by the Society of St. Pius X, not taken into account in the first figure which did take into consideration masses celebrated according to Benedict XVI’s “motu proprio”. Lefebvrian groups organise a total of 690 masses and one in two of these is celebrated according to Benedict XVI’s “motu proprio” and in full communion with the Roman Catholic Church. Despite the difficulties and the resistance shown, a growing number of people are slowly becoming familiar with the Traditional Rite Mass.


    I was waiting to see if anyone had any thoughts on this article before I said anything. But here it goes. We all know that BVI has not celebrated a single public Mass according to "Summorum Pontificuм" until this coming November. Do you wonder why that is? It's not just because as Traditionalists know, he has no intention of restoring the 1962 Missal but because he has been waiting for his hybrid missal ("The New 1962 Missal") which is coming this Advent for the Indult communities.

    There have been Reform of the Reform communities experimenting with this mass since SP. The most notable of which is the Communaute Saint-Martin with missions all over France. There are others, such as the London Oratory, The EWTN Friars (forgot the actual name) and others you can search for yourselves.

    The "Liturgical Experts"
    in charge of this "project" are no other than the very conservatives who are satisfied with a "devout" N.O. Mass and the very enemies of Tradition and of the SSPX who bishop Fellay has been plotting with to bring the SSPX into the "Reform of the reform" as frogs in warm water.

    Bishop Fellay has had the 1965 Rubrics in many chapels in the USA and France.  In many USA chapels, these rubrics have been imposed only over the last 2-3 years and many of the faithful refuse to comply. The priests want the faithful to remain standing for The Sanctus until is finished. The same thing for the Agnus Dei,  by the time they kneel, it's already time for Communion. These and other rubrics that are not so obvious have caused many faithful to leave their SSPX chapels. Others continue to do the old rubrics and you see some kneeling and some standing.

    This article has been published in many conservative sites but only a fraction of it. The propaganda is that BVI will celebrate the 1962 Missal. Yes, his own 1962 missal according to Summorum Pontificuм and Universae Ecclesiae which will at best be a 1962-1965  at worse 1962-1969 combinations. It is my presentiment that +Fellay will be aboard that ship come November perhaps celebrating with BVI and showing Traditionalists that all is the same, the pope is doing the 1962 missal and we are on the way to the restoration of Tradition, follow me, trust me. This mass will have all the appearances of tradition, beautiful vestment, lots of incense, etc. because (say these "experts"), traditionalists like "Bells and Smells".  I'll post below many links, so you can read for yourselves who is leading what. To think that + Fellay is following the makings of lay people and a handful of priests.

    I would like to add that I was expelled from RC for asking if this Mass by BVI would be the "Inauguration of the new 1962 Missal". I posted that on the 1962 Missal thread on CathInfo. They are terrified of the SSPX seeing the writing on the wall before +Fellay brings his followers to Rome. I was expelled by Augustinus, a moderator and perhaps the same Fr. Augustine whose picture you will see in the website for the NLM.

    And finally, when you read the articles on the links below, please also see the "Liturgical Experts" commenting among themselves. Their pictures and descriptions are on their website. These and others are the commentators in the NLM articles. The link from RC just has the usual mindless comments. The SSPX has to drop the 1962 Missal soon to be obsolete like a hot potato and go fully for the pre-Bugnini Missal, +Fellay in charge or not, and let him leave if he doesn't like it.

    The links:

    The leading R of the R community:

    http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2010/03/reform-of-reform-communities-communaute.html


    http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2009/11/communaute-saint-martin.html

    Links to New liturgical Movement and one from  RC:


    http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2008/03/fr-joseph-fessio-speaks-to-nlm-about.html

    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2011/05/la-nef-after-over-three-years-what.html

    http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2006/10/possible-future-of-tridentine-liturgy.html

    http://southernorderspage.blogspot.com/2011/08/1965-roman-missal.html

    http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2007/07/reform-or-return-interview-with-rev.html

    http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2011/09/reform-of-reform-style-over-substance.html

    http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2010/07/whats-in-name.html


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    (St. Clement Mary Hofbauer)


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    « Reply #2 on: August 06, 2012, 11:23:28 AM »
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  • Thank you so much, Marie, for this information.  I will pass it on to others in my parish.

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    « Reply #3 on: August 06, 2012, 11:37:39 AM »
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    Thank you so much, Marie, for this information.  I will pass it on to others in my parish.


    Thank you, JuanDiego, do so before those links are removed or something...
    The love of God be your motivation, the will of God your guiding principle, the glory of God your goal.
    (St. Clement Mary Hofbauer)

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    « Reply #4 on: August 06, 2012, 07:59:54 PM »
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    The links:

    The leading R of the R community:

    http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2010/03/reform-of-reform-communities-communaute.html


    http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2009/11/communaute-saint-martin.html

    Links to New liturgical Movement and one from  RC:


    http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2008/03/fr-joseph-fessio-speaks-to-nlm-about.html

    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2011/05/la-nef-after-over-three-years-what.html

    http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2006/10/possible-future-of-tridentine-liturgy.html

    http://southernorderspage.blogspot.com/2011/08/1965-roman-missal.html

    http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2007/07/reform-or-return-interview-with-rev.html

    http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2011/09/reform-of-reform-style-over-substance.html

    http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2010/07/whats-in-name.html




    I hope some of you had a chance to read the comments on the New Liturgical Movement articles posted above because they were the best part of it. The comments were all removed today. The comments left for a couple of the links are just the usual RC type. If you missed it, you missed the "Liturgical experts" on the front page of NLM website and others consulting with each other on the future of the Indult "reform of the reform missal".
    The love of God be your motivation, the will of God your guiding principle, the glory of God your goal.
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    « Reply #5 on: August 06, 2012, 10:02:17 PM »
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  • Why did you not simply copy the comments and post them on this thread? I don't
    think Matthew would mind. I've done that and so have others, and it has not caused
    even a stir.

    When you see something likely to be deleted that serves our purpose, then
    copy it, if you can, and post it in an appropriate thread on CI for others to
    observe for their benefit.

    Can you summarize what was said on this:

    ...the "Liturgical experts" on the front page of NLM website and others consulting with
    each other on the future of the Indult "reform of the reform missal".
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    « Reply #6 on: August 06, 2012, 11:02:25 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Why did you not simply copy the comments and post them on this thread? I don't
    think Matthew would mind. I've done that and so have others, and it has not caused
    even a stir.

    When you see something likely to be deleted that serves our purpose, then
    copy it, if you can, and post it in an appropriate thread on CI for others to
    observe for their benefit.

    Can you summarize what was said on this:

    ...the "Liturgical experts" on the front page of NLM website and others consulting with
    each other on the future of the Indult "reform of the reform missal".


    They were very long exchanges. Just one would have taken a lot of space but I regret it. You can still save the articles and the interview with Fr. Fessio is very interesting to read. Fr. Fessio had published his own missalet (?) in 2007 as soon as SP was released. The missal had the specifications of SP. There was an arguement on AQ about it, they were saying "how dare he does that", but the  e missalet had a letter from EDC giving him permission in 1997. Yes, 10 years before SP. I bought the missalet to examine it and after lending it, got lost.

    Fr. Fessio is considered by these "Liturgical experts" the leading expert on the reform of the reform. Read the link with his name on it and the interview. And please, real all the links you can. We have to warn others because this RR will deceive even the "elect" that is not informed.
    The love of God be your motivation, the will of God your guiding principle, the glory of God your goal.
    (St. Clement Mary Hofbauer)

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    « Reply #7 on: August 06, 2012, 11:32:35 PM »
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  • Fr. Fessio, while he was the head of Ignatius Press, was travelling throughout the USA and sending numerous fundraising letters, attempting to implement the "reform of the reform" in conservative NO parishes in the late 1990s.  His missal/hymnal, Adoremus, was installed in whatever Church willing to introduce this idea.  It was a miserable failure in the NO.  (BTW, Fr. Fessio is a great friend of Cardinal Schonborn; they were Fr. Joseph Ratzinger's prize pupils at Freibourg University).  

    When Card. Ratzinger became Pope Benedict XVI. he turned toward Tradition as the instrument to bring about the reformed 1962 hybrid missal.  This must be the real reason he warmed to the notion of reconciling the SSPX.  +Fellay was just the prelate to push this Trojan Horse into the SSPX and the Ecclesia Dei Groups.


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    « Reply #8 on: August 07, 2012, 02:32:30 AM »
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  • Thank you Marie and Domitilla!  I had completely forgotten about Fr. Fessio and his connection.
    For it is written: I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be dispersed. Matthew 26:31