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Offline Incredulous

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Re: The Pfeifferian Line of Invalidity
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2023, 02:32:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on September 20, 2023, 04:07:20 PM
    It's a blessing in disguise that Fr Pfeiffer didn't get the 2nd consecration recorded or correct.  Because even if he did, there are plenty of red flags (i.e. Pablo, poor seminary training) to avoid him and his seminarians/"future priests".  This whole consecration fiasco is just icing on the cake for all those of good will/common sense to avoid his whole operation.

    It's easy for us to want to put the Pfeiffer Santeria cult out of our minds, to turn our backs on it an walk away.

    The problem is... the Pfeiffer cult keeps growing. 
    Per capita of seminarian and new priests, Pfieffer is far more productive than the SSPX Resistance.   

    Pfieffer is ordaining and his missionary priests are out cultivating new territories. 
    For example, Pfeiffer TLM activity is growing in Central and Southern California.
    Go on their website and count the number of TLM chapel affiliates.

    They are in the growth mode, whereas the "Resistance" never really got out of the gate.

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    Re: The Pfeifferian Line of Invalidity
    « Reply #16 on: September 24, 2023, 06:24:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on September 24, 2023, 02:32:02 PM
    It's easy for us to want to put the Pfeiffer Santeria cult out of our minds, to turn our backs on it an walk away.

    The problem is... the Pfeiffer cult keeps growing. 
    Per capita of seminarian and new priests, Pfieffer is far more productive than the faux SSPX Resistance.   

    Pfieffer is ordaining and his missionary priests are out cultivating new territories. 
    For example, Pfeiffer TLM activity is growing in Central and Southern California.
    Go on their website and count the number of TLM chapel affiliates.

    They are in the growth mode, whereas the "Resistance" never really got out of the gate.
    Really!  Does anyone have a list of these highly doubtful priests?   I’d hate to have mistakenly 
    attended mass or worse, made an invalid confession or communion!  
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    Re: The Pfeifferian Line of Invalidity
    « Reply #17 on: September 24, 2023, 08:45:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on September 24, 2023, 06:24:37 PM
    Really!  Does anyone have a list of these highly doubtful priests?  I’d hate to have mistakenly
    attended mass or worse, made an invalid confession or communion! 
    Doubtful priests, not highly doubtful. I do not seek the ministrations of Pfeiffer-ordained priests. I do not agree with their positions. However, their Orders are doubtful, not highly doubtful as would be a recently-ordained priest of the Palmarian or Brazilian Apostolic Churches.
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    Re: The Pfeifferian Line of Invalidity
    « Reply #18 on: September 25, 2023, 02:17:59 AM »
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    • Quote from: ElwinRansom1970 on September 24, 2023, 08:45:29 PM
    Doubtful priests, not highly doubtful. I do not seek the ministrations of Pfeiffer-ordained priests. I do not agree with their positions. However, their Orders are doubtful, not highly doubtful as would be a recently-ordained priest of the Palmarian or Brazilian Apostolic Churches.
    Well, let’s agree to disagree on that one!  Palmarian?  Those folks are plain crazy!  
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    Re: The Pfeifferian Line of Invalidity
    « Reply #19 on: September 25, 2023, 11:18:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on September 24, 2023, 02:32:02 PM
    It's easy for us to want to put the Pfeiffer Santeria cult out of our minds, to turn our backs on it an walk away.

    The problem is... the Pfeiffer cult keeps growing. 
    Per capita of seminarian and new priests, Pfieffer is far more productive than the faux SSPX Resistance.   

    Pfieffer is ordaining and his missionary priests are out cultivating new territories. 
    For example, Pfeiffer TLM activity is growing in Central and Southern California.
    Go on their website and count the number of TLM chapel affiliates.

    They are in the growth mode, whereas the "Resistance" never really got out of the gate.


    Pfeiffer has networks in Nigeria and the Philippines too. I cannot fathom the number of simulated Masses (by men "ordained" by Fr. Pfeiffer) and men masquerading as priests duping so many poor souls.
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    Re: The Pfeifferian Line of Invalidity
    « Reply #20 on: September 25, 2023, 12:06:21 PM »
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    Doubtful priests, not highly doubtful. 
    Makes no difference per canon law.  But practically speaking, yes, they are highly doubtful.  Not only are their orders in doubt but also their seminary training (this assumes they had any).
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    Re: The Pfeifferian Line of Invalidity
    « Reply #21 on: September 25, 2023, 01:02:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: trento on September 25, 2023, 11:18:49 AM
    Pfeiffer has networks in Nigeria and the Philippines too. I cannot fathom the number of simulated Masses (by men "ordained" by Fr. Pfeiffer) and men masquerading as priests duping so many poor souls.
    The cult is growing like a cancer :facepalm:
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    Re: The Pfeifferian Line of Invalidity
    « Reply #22 on: September 25, 2023, 02:31:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on September 25, 2023, 12:06:21 PM
    Makes no difference per canon law.  But practically speaking, yes, they are highly doubtful.  Not only are their orders in doubt but also their seminary training (this assumes they had any).
    Seminary training is not a factor for determining the validity of Orders. Were it a factor or a necessary element for Orders, there would be no valid ordinations in the Latin Church prior to the late 16th century, no valid ordinations in the Easter Catholic Churches until 17th century, and no valid Eastern schismatic ordinations...well...ever.
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    Re: The Pfeifferian Line of Invalidity
    « Reply #23 on: September 25, 2023, 02:47:49 PM »
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    • "Seminary training" is a general term related to basic, priestly formation.  Their priestly formation (since +Pfeiffer is hardly ever there) is highly questionable.  That's why I used the term "practical".  You could take a guy off the street, ordain him validly 5 min later, but does that make him a "priest" in the practical sense?  No.
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    Re: The Pfeifferian Line of Invalidity
    « Reply #24 on: September 25, 2023, 08:40:30 PM »
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    • Grace builds on nature. God doesn't infuse knowledge into an ignorant man's head just because a bishop ordained him a Priest.

    No, you just end up with a very ignorant priest -- one who will make ALL KINDS of mistakes, in the theological, dogmatic, and practical orders, and will scandalize the faithful in various ways. Incidentally, that is exactly what happened in the years leading up to the Protestant Revolt, and which led the Catholic Church to declare in the Council of Trent that henceforth, priests will only be ordained after a formation in a Seminary.

    You can't rewind the clock. The Church busted out that remedy for a reason. If you go back to the way things were before Trent, then you go back to times before this remedy.

    Apparently we've come full circle, back to the "wild west" days pre-Protestant Revolt.  Will history repeat itself, with horribly ignorant, poorly-formed priests doing all kinds of damage to Holy Mother Church, living in concubinage, ignorant of basic theology, literally selling indulgences to the Faithful, etc.?
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    Re: The Pfeifferian Line of Invalidity
    « Reply #25 on: September 25, 2023, 09:01:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on September 25, 2023, 02:47:49 PM
    "Seminary training" is a general term related to basic, priestly formation.  Their priestly formation (since +Pfeiffer is hardly ever there) is highly questionable.  That's why I used the term "practical".  You could take a guy off the street, ordain him validly 5 min later, but does that make him a "priest" in the practical sense?  No.

    The proper formation of Fr. Pfeiffer's priest is of course questionable, but I would be more concerned about their spiritual formation under the influence of Cuban Voodoo (Santeria).  It would be 100% certain, Pablo has worked curses on all of them and they are suffering from at the very least, demonic oppression.

    Fr. Pfieffer is clearly a slave to the Santeria warlock.  And their team mission is to wreck established traditional chapels and mislead Catholics seeking traditional Sacraments... as many as they can.
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    Re: The Pfeifferian Line of Invalidity
    « Reply #26 on: September 06, 2025, 12:04:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on September 24, 2023, 06:24:37 PM
    Really!  Does anyone have a list of these highly doubtful priests?  I’d hate to have mistakenly
    attended mass or worse, made an invalid confession or communion! 
    Bishop? Pfeiffer "ordinations" from June 2024:

    "Father" Peter Blaszak

    "Father" Samuel Midgley

    "Father" Adam Chenal
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