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If. Msgr. Vigano is Excommunicated:

It will prove his authenticity, and I will support him
3 (5.3%)
It will prove he's not Catholic, and I want nothing to do with him
0 (0%)
I already support him, so it will mean nothing to me
31 (54.4%)
I will still have issues with him
23 (40.4%)

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Offline de Lugo

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The Msgr. Vigano Poll
« on: September 21, 2022, 02:39:03 PM »
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    • It seems like Msgr. Vigano is on a trajectory for "excommunication."  I'm wondering how many who support him today will abandon him if this happens (just as many abandoned Msgr. Lefebvre). What he said about the hierarchy today makes me think he hasn't much time left before the Roman Heretic is finally forced to address him.
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    Offline Yeti

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    Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
    « Reply #1 on: September 21, 2022, 03:04:13 PM »
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    • I voted for the last option, but could you put another option something like: "It will change nothing"
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    Offline 2Vermont

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    Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
    « Reply #2 on: September 21, 2022, 04:10:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: de Lugo on September 21, 2022, 02:39:03 PM
    It seems like Msgr. Vigano is on a trajectory for "excommunication."  I'm wondering how many who support him today will abandon him if this happens (just as many abandoned Msgr. Lefebvre). What he said about the hierarchy today makes me think he hasn't much time left before the Roman Heretic is finally forced to address him.
    Why do you think this?  Are you equating his actions with ABL?  
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    Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
    « Reply #3 on: September 21, 2022, 04:21:43 PM »
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    • Vigano excommunicated himself. Saying the new order is publicly manifest heresy. then consider if he had valid holy orders to add to that.  
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    Offline Yeti

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    Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
    « Reply #4 on: September 21, 2022, 04:21:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: de Lugo on September 21, 2022, 02:39:03 PM
    What he said about the hierarchy today


    What was this?
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    Offline 2Vermont

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    Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
    « Reply #5 on: September 21, 2022, 04:30:38 PM »
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    Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
    « Reply #6 on: September 21, 2022, 06:25:55 PM »
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    • Excommunicated from what? Francis Church? 
    Excommunication might mean something if the Consiliar Church was Catholic (after all)..
    Right now it can only be a badge of honor.

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    Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
    « Reply #7 on: September 21, 2022, 07:11:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on September 21, 2022, 04:10:05 PM
    Why do you think this?  Are you equating his actions with ABL? 

    Not his actions.  His teachings.
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    Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
    « Reply #8 on: September 21, 2022, 07:11:39 PM »
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    Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
    « Reply #9 on: September 21, 2022, 07:50:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: josefamenendez on September 21, 2022, 06:25:55 PM
    Excommunicated from what? Francis Church?
    Excommunication might mean something if the Consiliar Church was Catholic (after all)..
    Right now it can only be a badge of honor.

    In the Conciliar Church, it's referred to as excommunitication, being shunned by the community.
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    Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
    « Reply #10 on: September 21, 2022, 10:41:43 PM »
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    • “It must be observed, however, that if the faith were endangered, a subject ought to rebuke his prelate even publicly.”

    St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica II, II, q. 33, a. 4 

    Good on Vigano
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    Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
    « Reply #11 on: September 21, 2022, 11:02:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: de Lugo on September 21, 2022, 02:39:03 PM
    It seems like Msgr. Vigano is on a trajectory for "excommunication."  I'm wondering how many who support him today will abandon him if this happens (just as many abandoned Msgr. Lefebvre). What he said about the hierarchy today makes me think he hasn't much time left before the Roman Heretic is finally forced to address him.

    What exactly is the excommunicating offense?  Can a bishop be excommunicated for calling the Pope a heretic?
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    Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
    « Reply #12 on: September 22, 2022, 05:54:56 AM »
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    • +Vigano's excommuniation, of course, would mean nothing to me, for the same reasons that Pope St. Celestine declared the excommunications of Nestorius to have been null and void (even before Nestorius was formally removed from office) but even in terms of my perception of +Vigano.  I doubt it'll happen because the Vatican simply don't want to go out of their way to draw even more attention to +Vigano.  It's the same reason that they quietly allowed Bishop de Castro Mayer to continue Tradition in his diocese, and did not remove him ... because they figured that he'll eventually just die and disappear from the scene, and they didn't want to raise a bit stink about it.  Outside of Traditional circles, no one had ever heard of him.  So whether they do or don't excommunicate him, it would be for tactical reasons and not out of principle.  While it might be interesting to read +Vigano's reaction to such a thing, what the Vatican decides to do or not do has no bearing on my perception of him.
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    Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
    « Reply #13 on: September 22, 2022, 07:43:03 AM »
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    • It's obviously good that Vigano is speaking up, but can we remember that he's spent his entire life in the false religion of Vatican II?  You know it's bad when Trads are giddy with the man for simply calling out homos...

    I think another question here could be - What will Francis do?  Will he dump the weirdos to save face or simply full steam ahead with the different religion?  There's almost nothing left at this point.  If Pachamama didn't do it, what will?
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    Re: The Msgr. Vigano Poll
    « Reply #14 on: September 22, 2022, 09:46:47 PM »
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    • This sort of survival effort would have to involve Lithuania, Poland, Hungary, Austria, Ireland and traditionalists in France, Spain, Italy, Mexico, etc. The United States and Quebec too. The world seems blind as bats in California but if the right areas wake up maybe there's a chance. This seems like a would-be Lithuanian or Polish Mandate, not Kentucky, since people in Kentucky don't typically have that sort of Catholic background. A Lithuanian Portfolio ...


    https://www.bitchute.com/video/mXd8qP3H8OCZ/
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