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« on: November 14, 2016, 01:42:11 PM »
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    Churchmen Aware? – II
    November 12, 2016
    Number CDLXXXVII (487) Printable PDF
     
    Corrupted minds make words of little use
    Except to lie, mislead, betray, seduce.
    Last week these “Comments” raised the question whether the Superior General of the Society of St Pius X (SG for short) knows what he is doing when he constantly makes contradictory statements, now in favour of Catholic Tradition, now in line with the Romans and their Conciliar Revolution. At best the SG would be merely a confused and confusing liberal, torn between Catholicism and Conciliarism. At worst he could be a true wolf in sheep’s clothing, using words merely as political instruments to enable the Romans to absorb Archbishop Lefebvre’s once Catholic Society into their Conciliar Newchurch. The Faith is at stake. It is important for many priests and laity alike to see clearly whether the SG is shepherd or wolf, or somewhere in between. See the latest issue of the French bi-monthly magazine, “Sous la Bannière,” for a very clear answer by a Resistant French priest, Fr Olivier Rioult.
    He starts out from the SG’s June 29 communiqué which followed on the SSPX Superiors’ meeting held just previously near Écône, and he quotes from it sentences which might re-assure some Catholics that the SSPX is coming back on Traditional track. But, says Fr Rioult, the SG has in the past so often said one thing and done another that his words are of no value so far as truth is concerned. They are, as for countless modern politicians, merely instruments of policy to be used or abused as the occasion requires, in this case to make the SSPX submit to Newchurch authorities without its even realizing what is happening. The proof is in the SG’s actions. Actions speak always louder than words. What the SG really means is best judged by his actions, which work steadily in favour of Conciliar Rome.
    Here are some of them – the acceptance of the “excommunications” being “lifted” in 2009; the acceptance of official jurisdiction for confessions, and of official jurisdiction for the SG to deliver first instance judgments of cases within the SSPX; the submission to quoting of names for priestly ordinands in the USA, and acceptance of diocesan toleration for priestly ordinations in Germany. Going in the same direction within the SSPX is his steady demotion or purging of opponents to his Roman policy, and his promotion of docile substitutes, often youngsters relatively unfit for the heavier responsibilities. And Fr Rioult points out that this series of actions is clearly in line with the joint statement of the SG and Rome’s Number Two, Cardinal Müller, issued after their meeting in September of 2014, that they would “proceed in stages . . . taking the time necessary to iron out difficulties . . . with a view to achieving full reconciliation.”
    This step-by-step procedure, says Fr Rioult, has the great advantage for both parties of avoiding any clear-cut moment such as the joint signing of a public document which would risk alerting followers of Tradition to what was going on. As it is, the SG’s contradictions create confusion, and if only they are “subtle” or “delicate” enough, put Catholics to sleep who are not watching and praying. Thus the SG’s words are merely laid down as a smokescreen to disguise especially from SSPX priests what he is really up to, because if enough of them were awake and aware, it would be that much more difficult for him to persuade Rome that he could bring the whole Society into the Newchurch, which is what Rome wants, to put an end to the main body of resistance to their New World Order religion. Already in 2012 the SG had the bitter experience of setting up everything, as he thought, for the sell-out, only to have Rome refuse the agreement because at that moment in time his three fellow-bishops in the SSPX were all against it, as Rome well knew. The Newchurch needs to cripple Tradition, once and for all.
    Pray for SSPX priests, that they see through the Menzingen mafia, block it, and finally get rid of it.
    Kyrie eleison.


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    « Reply #1 on: November 14, 2016, 03:16:11 PM »
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    At best the SG would be merely a confused and confusing liberal, torn between Catholicism and Conciliarism. At worst he could be a true wolf in sheep’s clothing, using words merely as political instruments to enable the Romans to absorb Archbishop Lefebvre’s once Catholic Society into their Conciliar Newchurch.


    We are perhaps wondering at this point whether the SG is just a confused liberal or a wolf in sheep's clothing.

    BUT, the last sentence is a dead giveaway as to where His Excellency stands on the question and what his attitude is:

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    I think the "at worst" prevails in H.E.'s thinking, don't you?  

    As Trump prepares to "drain the swamp" in Washington, so should concerned SSPX priests attempt to drain the swamp in Menzingen.



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    « Reply #2 on: November 16, 2016, 04:02:23 PM »
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  • I am a bit surprised that no one has commented on this latest EC.  I don't remember another EC that made more of a direct appeal to sspx priests,(as I read it anyway), to take matters in hand and drive out the "Menzingen Mafia."  This is exactly what needs to happen, IMO.  That there is no reaction to this among forum members is rather puzzling.  

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    « Reply #3 on: November 16, 2016, 04:33:27 PM »
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  • Stunned into silence? Too little too late? Fearful there will be no response from Priests of the Society? Bunker down?

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    « Reply #4 on: November 16, 2016, 04:51:59 PM »
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  • The maxim is "Qui tacet consentit": the maxim of the law is "Silence gives consent". If therefore you wish to construe what my silence betokened, you must construe that I consented.  - St. Thomas Moore, in "A Man for All Seasons"


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    « Reply #5 on: November 17, 2016, 12:20:04 AM »
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    Churchmen Aware? – II
    November 12, 2016
    Number CDLXXXVII (487) Printable PDF
     
    Corrupted minds make words of little use
    Except to lie, mislead, betray, seduce.
    Last week these “Comments” raised the question whether the Superior General of the Society of St Pius X (SG for short) knows what he is doing when he constantly makes contradictory statements, now in favour of Catholic Tradition, now in line with the Romans and their Conciliar Revolution. At best the SG would be merely a confused and confusing liberal, torn between Catholicism and Conciliarism. At worst he could be a true wolf in sheep’s clothing, using words merely as political instruments to enable the Romans to absorb Archbishop Lefebvre’s once Catholic Society into their Conciliar Newchurch. The Faith is at stake. It is important for many priests and laity alike to see clearly whether the SG is shepherd or wolf, or somewhere in between. See the latest issue of the French bi-monthly magazine, “Sous la Bannière,” for a very clear answer by a Resistant French priest, Fr Olivier Rioult.
    He starts out from the SG’s June 29 communiqué which followed on the SSPX Superiors’ meeting held just previously near Écône, and he quotes from it sentences which might re-assure some Catholics that the SSPX is coming back on Traditional track. But, says Fr Rioult, the SG has in the past so often said one thing and done another that his words are of no value so far as truth is concerned. They are, as for countless modern politicians, merely instruments of policy to be used or abused as the occasion requires, in this case to make the SSPX submit to Newchurch authorities without its even realizing what is happening. The proof is in the SG’s actions. Actions speak always louder than words. What the SG really means is best judged by his actions, which work steadily in favour of Conciliar Rome.
    Here are some of them – the acceptance of the “excommunications” being “lifted” in 2009; the acceptance of official jurisdiction for confessions, and of official jurisdiction for the SG to deliver first instance judgments of cases within the SSPX; the submission to quoting of names for priestly ordinands in the USA, and acceptance of diocesan toleration for priestly ordinations in Germany. Going in the same direction within the SSPX is his steady demotion or purging of opponents to his Roman policy, and his promotion of docile substitutes, often youngsters relatively unfit for the heavier responsibilities. And Fr Rioult points out that this series of actions is clearly in line with the joint statement of the SG and Rome’s Number Two, Cardinal Müller, issued after their meeting in September of 2014, that they would “proceed in stages . . . taking the time necessary to iron out difficulties . . . with a view to achieving full reconciliation.”
    This step-by-step procedure, says Fr Rioult, has the great advantage for both parties of avoiding any clear-cut moment such as the joint signing of a public document which would risk alerting followers of Tradition to what was going on. As it is, the SG’s contradictions create confusion, and if only they are “subtle” or “delicate” enough, put Catholics to sleep who are not watching and praying. Thus the SG’s words are merely laid down as a smokescreen to disguise especially from SSPX priests what he is really up to, because if enough of them were awake and aware, it would be that much more difficult for him to persuade Rome that he could bring the whole Society into the Newchurch, which is what Rome wants, to put an end to the main body of resistance to their New World Order religion. Already in 2012 the SG had the bitter experience of setting up everything, as he thought, for the sell-out, only to have Rome refuse the agreement because at that moment in time his three fellow-bishops in the SSPX were all against it, as Rome well knew. The Newchurch needs to cripple Tradition, once and for all.
    Pray for SSPX priests, that they see through the Menzingen mafia, block it, and finally get rid of it.
    Kyrie eleison.


    A keeper indeed!  

    As President Trump prepares to drain the swamp in Washington (and therefore in every Western capital without exception) and the four Novus Ordo cardinals are in motion to split the Novus Ordo right down the middle (no doubt in prompt response to the will of the new American President) the good Bishop Williamson also takes action to split the SSPX into pro- and anti-American camps.  Strange as it may be, this is shaping up as something very like World War Two in reverse, with America, Russia, China and Britain once again allied together against Germany, France, Italy and perhaps Japan. Although this time the Nationalist Right is represented by the "Allied Powers" and the Marxist Left by the "Axis".  

    Absolutely stranger than fiction.  As ever God's ways are stunningly not the ways of men.  It seems that God is most truly the greatest of schemers.

    Surely not every priest in the Neo-SSPX will decide to defy the combined forces of the United States, British Commonwealth, Russian Federation and Chinese People's Republic.  One must presume that Japan will not dare to defy the United States yet again.  Hence the clerical imbeciles who side with the mad Angela Merkel, the feckless Hollande and Pope Bergoglio with his pathetic Italian Neo-Liberal coalition will at least go down in history as either the bravest or most stupid of men (and most likely the latter, not the former).  

    "And Jesus said:  Let the dead bury their dead, but go thou and preach the Kingdom of God."

    God be praised!!!


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    « Reply #6 on: November 17, 2016, 09:10:01 AM »
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    Churchmen Aware? – II
    November 12, 2016
    Number CDLXXXVII (487) Printable PDF
     
    Corrupted minds make words of little use
    Except to lie, mislead, betray, seduce.
    Last week these “Comments” raised the question whether the Superior General of the Society of St Pius X (SG for short) knows what he is doing when he constantly makes contradictory statements, now in favour of Catholic Tradition, now in line with the Romans and their Conciliar Revolution. At best the SG would be merely a confused and confusing liberal, torn between Catholicism and Conciliarism. At worst he could be a true wolf in sheep’s clothing, using words merely as political instruments to enable the Romans to absorb Archbishop Lefebvre’s once Catholic Society into their Conciliar Newchurch. The Faith is at stake. It is important for many priests and laity alike to see clearly whether the SG is shepherd or wolf, or somewhere in between. See the latest issue of the French bi-monthly magazine, “Sous la Bannière,” for a very clear answer by a Resistant French priest, Fr Olivier Rioult.
    He starts out from the SG’s June 29 communiqué which followed on the SSPX Superiors’ meeting held just previously near Écône, and he quotes from it sentences which might re-assure some Catholics that the SSPX is coming back on Traditional track. But, says Fr Rioult, the SG has in the past so often said one thing and done another that his words are of no value so far as truth is concerned. They are, as for countless modern politicians, merely instruments of policy to be used or abused as the occasion requires, in this case to make the SSPX submit to Newchurch authorities without its even realizing what is happening. The proof is in the SG’s actions. Actions speak always louder than words. What the SG really means is best judged by his actions, which work steadily in favour of Conciliar Rome.
    Here are some of them – the acceptance of the “excommunications” being “lifted” in 2009; the acceptance of official jurisdiction for confessions, and of official jurisdiction for the SG to deliver first instance judgments of cases within the SSPX; the submission to quoting of names for priestly ordinands in the USA, and acceptance of diocesan toleration for priestly ordinations in Germany. Going in the same direction within the SSPX is his steady demotion or purging of opponents to his Roman policy, and his promotion of docile substitutes, often youngsters relatively unfit for the heavier responsibilities. And Fr Rioult points out that this series of actions is clearly in line with the joint statement of the SG and Rome’s Number Two, Cardinal Müller, issued after their meeting in September of 2014, that they would “proceed in stages . . . taking the time necessary to iron out difficulties . . . with a view to achieving full reconciliation.”
    This step-by-step procedure, says Fr Rioult, has the great advantage for both parties of avoiding any clear-cut moment such as the joint signing of a public document which would risk alerting followers of Tradition to what was going on. As it is, the SG’s contradictions create confusion, and if only they are “subtle” or “delicate” enough, put Catholics to sleep who are not watching and praying. Thus the SG’s words are merely laid down as a smokescreen to disguise especially from SSPX priests what he is really up to, because if enough of them were awake and aware, it would be that much more difficult for him to persuade Rome that he could bring the whole Society into the Newchurch, which is what Rome wants, to put an end to the main body of resistance to their New World Order religion. Already in 2012 the SG had the bitter experience of setting up everything, as he thought, for the sell-out, only to have Rome refuse the agreement because at that moment in time his three fellow-bishops in the SSPX were all against it, as Rome well knew. The Newchurch needs to cripple Tradition, once and for all.
    Pray for SSPX priests, that they see through the Menzingen mafia, block it, and finally get rid of it.
    Kyrie eleison.


    A keeper indeed!  

    As President Trump prepares to drain the swamp in Washington (and therefore in every Western capital without exception) and the four Novus Ordo cardinals are in motion to split the Novus Ordo right down the middle (no doubt in prompt response to the will of the new American President) the good Bishop Williamson also takes action to split the SSPX into pro- and anti-American camps.  Strange as it may be, this is shaping up as something very like World War Two in reverse, with America, Russia, China and Britain once again allied together against Germany, France, Italy and perhaps Japan. Although this time the Nationalist Right is represented by the "Allied Powers" and the Marxist Left by the "Axis".  

    Absolutely stranger than fiction.  As ever God's ways are stunningly not the ways of men.  It seems that God is most truly the greatest of schemers.

    Surely not every priest in the Neo-SSPX will decide to defy the combined forces of the United States, British Commonwealth, Russian Federation and Chinese People's Republic.  One must presume that Japan will not dare to defy the United States yet again.  Hence the clerical imbeciles who side with the mad Angela Merkel, the feckless Hollande and Pope Bergoglio with his pathetic Italian Neo-Liberal coalition will at least go down in history as either the bravest or most stupid of men (and most likely the latter, not the former).  

    "And Jesus said:  Let the dead bury their dead, but go thou and preach the Kingdom of God."

    God be praised!!!



    It does appear to be unfolding like a repeat of our 1930's, Great Depression / WWII history.

    Its as if the world is following a Hollywood-jew, B-rated movie script.





    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #7 on: November 22, 2016, 01:55:25 PM »
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    Churchmen Aware? – II
    November 12, 2016
    Number CDLXXXVII (487) Printable PDF
     
    Corrupted minds make words of little use
    Except to lie, mislead, betray, seduce.
    Last week these “Comments” raised the question whether the Superior General of the Society of St Pius X (SG for short) knows what he is doing when he constantly makes contradictory statements, now in favour of Catholic Tradition, now in line with the Romans and their Conciliar Revolution. At best the SG would be merely a confused and confusing liberal, torn between Catholicism and Conciliarism. At worst he could be a true wolf in sheep’s clothing, using words merely as political instruments to enable the Romans to absorb Archbishop Lefebvre’s once Catholic Society into their Conciliar Newchurch. The Faith is at stake. It is important for many priests and laity alike to see clearly whether the SG is shepherd or wolf, or somewhere in between. See the latest issue of the French bi-monthly magazine, “Sous la Bannière,” for a very clear answer by a Resistant French priest, Fr Olivier Rioult.
    He starts out from the SG’s June 29 communiqué which followed on the SSPX Superiors’ meeting held just previously near Écône, and he quotes from it sentences which might re-assure some Catholics that the SSPX is coming back on Traditional track. But, says Fr Rioult, the SG has in the past so often said one thing and done another that his words are of no value so far as truth is concerned. They are, as for countless modern politicians, merely instruments of policy to be used or abused as the occasion requires, in this case to make the SSPX submit to Newchurch authorities without its even realizing what is happening. The proof is in the SG’s actions. Actions speak always louder than words. What the SG really means is best judged by his actions, which work steadily in favour of Conciliar Rome.
    Here are some of them – the acceptance of the “excommunications” being “lifted” in 2009; the acceptance of official jurisdiction for confessions, and of official jurisdiction for the SG to deliver first instance judgments of cases within the SSPX; the submission to quoting of names for priestly ordinands in the USA, and acceptance of diocesan toleration for priestly ordinations in Germany. Going in the same direction within the SSPX is his steady demotion or purging of opponents to his Roman policy, and his promotion of docile substitutes, often youngsters relatively unfit for the heavier responsibilities. And Fr Rioult points out that this series of actions is clearly in line with the joint statement of the SG and Rome’s Number Two, Cardinal Müller, issued after their meeting in September of 2014, that they would “proceed in stages . . . taking the time necessary to iron out difficulties . . . with a view to achieving full reconciliation.”
    This step-by-step procedure, says Fr Rioult, has the great advantage for both parties of avoiding any clear-cut moment such as the joint signing of a public document which would risk alerting followers of Tradition to what was going on. As it is, the SG’s contradictions create confusion, and if only they are “subtle” or “delicate” enough, put Catholics to sleep who are not watching and praying. Thus the SG’s words are merely laid down as a smokescreen to disguise especially from SSPX priests what he is really up to, because if enough of them were awake and aware, it would be that much more difficult for him to persuade Rome that he could bring the whole Society into the Newchurch, which is what Rome wants, to put an end to the main body of resistance to their New World Order religion. Already in 2012 the SG had the bitter experience of setting up everything, as he thought, for the sell-out, only to have Rome refuse the agreement because at that moment in time his three fellow-bishops in the SSPX were all against it, as Rome well knew. The Newchurch needs to cripple Tradition, once and for all.
    Pray for SSPX priests, that they see through the Menzingen mafia, block it, and finally get rid of it.
    Kyrie eleison.


    A keeper indeed!  

    As President Trump prepares to drain the swamp in Washington (and therefore in every Western capital without exception) and the four Novus Ordo cardinals are in motion to split the Novus Ordo right down the middle (no doubt in prompt response to the will of the new American President) the good Bishop Williamson also takes action to split the SSPX into pro- and anti-American camps.  Strange as it may be, this is shaping up as something very like World War Two in reverse, with America, Russia, China and Britain once again allied together against Germany, France, Italy and perhaps Japan. Although this time the Nationalist Right is represented by the "Allied Powers" and the Marxist Left by the "Axis".  

    Absolutely stranger than fiction.  As ever God's ways are stunningly not the ways of men.  It seems that God is most truly the greatest of schemers.

    Surely not every priest in the Neo-SSPX will decide to defy the combined forces of the United States, British Commonwealth, Russian Federation and Chinese People's Republic.  One must presume that Japan will not dare to defy the United States yet again.  Hence the clerical imbeciles who side with the mad Angela Merkel, the feckless Hollande and Pope Bergoglio with his pathetic Italian Neo-Liberal coalition will at least go down in history as either the bravest or most stupid of men (and most likely the latter, not the former).  

    "And Jesus said:  Let the dead bury their dead, but go thou and preach the Kingdom of God."

    God be praised!!!



    It does appear to be unfolding like a repeat of our 1930's, Great Depression / WWII history.

    Its as if the world is following a Hollywood-jew, B-rated movie script.






    The above impression is one possible response to current events.  Another would be that the apocalyptic prophecies of the Bible and historic Catholicism are being proven true with quite a vengeance.  Perhaps contemporary Catholics should study our history and Holy Writ with much greater seriousness and determination.  

    Noblesse oblige!
     


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    « Reply #8 on: November 24, 2016, 10:03:46 AM »
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  • I read that as Bp. Williamson saying, "Hey, hey! Ho, ho! Bp. Fellay has got to go!"

     :rahrah:

     

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