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Branding of the SSPX,
« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2013, 03:54:33 PM »
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Who's right? What does the traditional catholic do? Start our own church? At some point, something has to go our way. I am confused.


How about it? Let's start ordaining each other. I am joking.

 :jester:

Branding of the SSPX,
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2013, 04:13:06 PM »
Quote from: stgobnait
We need an ABL, so do the priests...


This would be helpful for a "visible" sign.  We could all use a "crutch."  However, God shows us in history that fidelity to our Baptism supplies all of the graces necessary for our Duties of State and for our Salvation.

Jesus told the story of the rich man and Lazarus. The Bible says that angels carried Lazarus to the bosom of Abraham. But the rich man lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. The rich man cried out, "Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue: for I am tormented in this flame." Abraham told the rich man that there was a great gulf between the two of them. There was no possibility of passing from one side to the other. The rich man explained that he had five brothers. He did not want them to come to the place of torment. He asked Abraham to send someone to warn them. "Abraham says to him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them (your brothers) hear them. And he (the rich man) said, No, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he (Abraham) said unto him, If they will not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead" (Lk. 16:22-31).

So too, the SSPX priests, and faithful, who are cowering under what ever human peer pressure, human fear, or human weakness, have the Faith of their Baptism, the Catechism, Scripture, the Fathers of the Church, the writings of Archbishop Lefebvre, in short, they have everything necessary to stand up for the Lord God and his suffering Church.

The battle has been visibly going on for over a year with the N-SSPX; we have been patient under their duress and silence.

There is NO excuse for these SSPX priests in their vocation not to "bark like a dog" in the stead of the Shepherds sleeping at the wheel.  

Yes we do encourage each other.  There is yet real blood being spilled over unchecked heresy apostating hundred of thousands and millions of souls.

It is time for those to get off of the "fence" and fight on the right side of the Lord, or get hit in the middle of the crossfires.

The enemy shows us that he does not sleep...neither we.

For the devil goes about seeking someone to devour; be steadfast in the faith. (1 Peter).


Branding of the SSPX,
« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2013, 04:49:06 PM »
What's the best way to address those who claim that "supplied jurisdiction" no longer applies to the SSPX and it certainly doesn't apply to the Resistance?

Branding of the SSPX,
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2013, 05:32:22 PM »
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What's the best way to address those who claim that "supplied jurisdiction" no longer applies to the SSPX and it certainly doesn't apply to the Resistance?


Supplied jurisdiction is a crucial question.

There are many threads on Cathinfo discussing this answer of why the N-SSPX lost "supplied jurisdiction" in origin of their Official, publicly stated, and Legally signed 2012 Doctrinal Declaration for the world to see.

As far as the Resistance and Supplied jurisdiction, simply said for your question, the Resistance priests, and the Bishop, ARE still SSPX priests and a Bishop of good standing within the statutes of the SSPX and the Catholic Church.  Bishop Fellay has illegally expelled them against right procedures, Canon Law, and Protocol.

Neo-SSPX Lost its Supplied Jurisdiction? http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Neo-SSPX-Lost-its-Supplied-Jurisdiction

SSPX doctrinal declaration, The “elephant” in the room. http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=24633&min=0&num=5

I had recently put in a similar post in: Letter to Rocky Mountain parishioners., Fr. Frances Ockerse http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=25213&min=10&num=5

Branding of the SSPX,
« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2013, 05:52:51 PM »
Quote from: Machabees
Quote from: Zeitun
What's the best way to address those who claim that "supplied jurisdiction" no longer applies to the SSPX and it certainly doesn't apply to the Resistance?


Supplied jurisdiction is a crucial question.

There are many threads on Cathinfo discussing this answer of why the N-SSPX lost "supplied jurisdiction" in origin of their Official, publicly stated, and Legally signed 2012 Doctrinal Declaration for the world to see.

As far as the Resistance and Supplied jurisdiction, simply said for your question, the Resistance priests, and the Bishop, ARE still SSPX priests and a Bishop of good standing within the statutes of the SSPX and the Catholic Church.  Bishop Fellay has illegally expelled them against right procedures, Canon Law, and Protocol.

Neo-SSPX Lost its Supplied Jurisdiction? http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Neo-SSPX-Lost-its-Supplied-Jurisdiction

SSPX doctrinal declaration, The “elephant” in the room. http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=24633&min=0&num=5

I had recently put in a similar post in: Letter to Rocky Mountain parishioners., Fr. Frances Ockerse http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=25213&min=10&num=5


Good links, recommend bookmarking them.  

Zeitun, supplied jurisdiction does not 'apply' to groups, it is 'triggered' in a given situation.  It's not another 'form' of ordinary jurisdiction, and only exists for a given act, e.g., the absolution of a penitent.  Supplied jurisdiction happens because of the situation or circuмstance of the faithful-- the priest's affiliation does not have anything to do with it-- he could even be a schismatic.  The Church's number one function and priority is to save souls.  Ordinarily, ordinary jurisdiction is required for valid confession.  However, in a situation where no such jurisdiction is met and the faithful need the sacrament, ecclesia supplet (the Church provides jurisdiction) applies and a validly ordained priest may efficaciously perform a sacramental act for the faithful, notwithstanding his lacking ordinary jurisdiction.

Those are the basics of it.