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Offline ctarozzi

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THE LAST FIVE ASSERTIONS OF BP. FELLAY
« on: May 13, 2014, 05:19:29 AM »
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  • What has Bp. Fellay done, and what is he up to?

    The recent revelation in the website Rorate Coeli about a meeting of Bp. Fellay and his two assistants with the Commission Ecclesia Dei in the Vatican and with the Pope last December 13 and its subsequent confirmation by the neo-SSPX confirm our fears.

    1. He told everybody since 2012 that he is not working anymore for an agreement or re-union with Modernist Rome, while the confirmation of this meeting with two important members of the Commission Ecclesia Dei (Bps. Di Noia and Pozzo) suggests the contrary?

    2. He suggests that his interview with Pope Francis at the end of the same meeting was a kind of "fortuitous"! He goes for Lunch to the same place where the Popes eats every day and you don’t expect to see him... Did he go only to order spaghetti and a cappuccino?

    3. He claims that his meeting with the Commission Ecclesia Dei was purely “informal.” What were they talking about? Maybe about the soccer World Cup in Brazil this June...?

    4. He said in an interview given to Le Rocher, (April-May 2014) that “Rome made a ‘non-official’ approach to renew contact with us, but nothing more.” ‘Non-official’? 'Nothing more'? The three most important superiors of the SSPX meeting the second and third most important members of the Commission Ecclesia Dei, is that ‘non-official’?

    5. During a conference recently given by Bp. Fellay in Narbonne, France (May 11) he affirmed that “the lawyer of the Society had an interview with the Pope,” which confirms also that the talks of the SSPX with Rome continue at a very high level! The canonical adviser (Fr. Ramon Angles) of Bp. Fellay meeting the Pope: is 'non official'?

    All this information is coming to the public ONLY because it was exposed by the Internet, otherwise the members and the faithful of the SSPX would never known about what is going on between the neo-SSPX and Modernist Rome.

    Lastly, we fear that there is MUCH MORE information hidden by Bp. Fellay about his actual talks with Rome.


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    THE LAST FIVE ASSERTIONS OF BP. FELLAY
    « Reply #1 on: May 13, 2014, 07:46:42 PM »
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  • When someone in the EC thread said that Bp. Fellay was " the more honorable one" than Bp. Williamson I really couldn't believe it..
    Bp. Williamson never arranged when/where he would go for Confirmations..what makes you think he arranged interviews for himself?
    HE DIDN'T.
    The Menzingen crowd (Bp. Fellay, Fr. Nely. Fr. Pflueger and Maxie Krah ) arranged that interview with that deceitful hack journalist...The secular, vulgar "journalist" pretended to care about the SSPX positions on the New Mass, the various errors of Vatican II..etc etc...
    But all he ( and Bp Williamson's brothers in Menzingen ) cared about was the last question...Then he was ordered to " do penance " for the rest of his life...and shut down Eleison Comments....even though Bp. fellay couldn't name on error contained therein....
    And he's the more honorable one?  There's no sense trying to dialogue with people like that... :soapbox:


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    « Reply #2 on: May 13, 2014, 07:47:42 PM »
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  • "couldn't name one error"...

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    « Reply #3 on: May 18, 2014, 10:33:45 PM »
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    That's a mighty steep list, ctarozzi.  It would be much more effective with verification.  Otherwise we'd be passing around gossip to share this with others.  I know several people who need to know but I have no doubt they would question every nuance, asking where it came from and how do I know it's true.  

    Does anyone have docuмentation or some published quotes of credible witnesses?

    Can someone provide a link for the Rorate Coeli web page that this is referring to?

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    « Reply #4 on: May 19, 2014, 08:27:03 AM »
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    Fr. Hewko mentions this in his sermon on the Feast of St. Paschal Baylon, May 17th:

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=31821#p3

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    « Reply #5 on: May 19, 2014, 08:43:55 AM »
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  • Quote from: Charlotte NC Bill

    When someone in the EC thread said that Bp. Fellay was "the more honorable one" [other] than Bp. Williamson, I really couldn't believe it..



    The most recent EC thread has no mention of this, so which EC are you talking about?  

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    Bp. Williamson never [even] arranged [for himself] when/where he would go for Confirmations.. what makes you think he arranged interviews for himself?

    HE DIDN'T.

    The Menzingen crowd (Bp. Fellay, Fr. Nely, Fr. Pfluger and Maxie Krah) arranged that interview with that deceitful hack journalist... The secular, vulgar "journalist" pretended to care about the SSPX positions on the New Mass, the various errors of Vatican II.. etc, etc...

    But all he
    (and Bp Williamson's brothers in Menzingen) really cared about was the last question... Then he [+W] was ordered to "do penance" for the rest of his life... and shut down Eleison Comments... even though Bp. Fellay couldn't name one error contained therein....
    And he's the more 'honorable' one?  There's no sense trying to dialogue with people like that... :soapbox:



    The Menzingen-denizens would agree with "people like that."  

    They could do some "dialogue" together.  

    What is dialogue?

    Dialogue is when Catholics and non-Catholics get together to 'discover' the truth, presuming from the start that no one among them already has it.

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    « Reply #6 on: May 19, 2014, 09:39:02 PM »
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  • The May 10th EC "New Ordinations"...Conformist Man in the Gray Flannel Suit Pete was giving us the usual Menzingen Party line and, along the way, made the above referenced comment...He also gave us the following gem, "recognize and resist was never supposed to go cryogenic "...given that all four bishops consecrated by the Arch Bp are still alive I find that comment a tad premature...

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    « Reply #7 on: June 12, 2014, 11:44:41 AM »
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  • Yet, " This bouquet of rosaries will be presented to the Pope shortly after June 8, 2014. Thus, the importance of returning it (tally sheet) immediately." [SSPX Rosary Tally Sheet]

    Whatever Bp.Fellay may say, he wants to maintain contact with the pope in order to keep the deal on course, even by using this gimmick of rosary crusades.


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    « Reply #8 on: June 12, 2014, 12:36:25 PM »
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  • Quote from: Charlotte NC Bill
    The May 10th EC "New Ordinations"...Conformist Man in the Gray Flannel Suit Pete was giving us the usual Menzingen Party line and, along the way, made the above referenced comment...He also gave us the following gem, "recognize and resist was never supposed to go cryogenic "...given that all four bishops consecrated by the Arch Bp are still alive I find that comment a tad premature...


    I've met some at my SSPX chapel who hold this position -- that it's "dangerous" for us to be irregular for so long. They don't outright complain about the SSPX position, but they say it's only good "for a time".

    I ask them: On what magic date do you wake up and R&R is no longer good? When do you draw that line?

    I think that is ridiculous. If it's good today under circuмstances X, it will be good in 100 years if the circuмstances are still X. R&R doesn't have an "expiration date".

    What is this, some twisted reactionary form of Modernism? Where truth changes over the years and certain disciplines are only good "for a certain time period" or "a given era" but not today?

    I just want to tell them right to their face, "WHO ARE YOU to tell God that this Crisis drags on too long! If you are weary of the Crisis, pour out your heart in prayer to God. But after lovingly complaining to God and praying for His Church with all your heart, you should dry your tears and re-join the good fight. React with sadness rather than anger, and cry to God, not to us! We didn't think up this Crisis -- just remember that. One mustn't complain PUBLICLY that "in my opinion, this Crisis has gone on too long!" Considering that God is firmly in control, such a person is LITERALLY committing a public act of insubordination against God!

    The truth is that these individuals are uncomfortable with the SSPX position, and have been for a while. They don't have the cajones to be in the SSPX to begin with. They need to join the Indult or some other less gutsy group, where they can soothe their sensitive nerves -- a nice position as FAR from the front-lines as possible, to accommodate their level of courage (or lack thereof!)
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    « Reply #9 on: June 12, 2014, 08:29:48 PM »
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  • I just wanted to denounce the fact that the post you are reading under my name IS NOT MINE!

    What I originally wrote it was SUBSTANTIALLY changed by the Moderator without asking for my approval.

    As a consequence, Mathew posted a text which IS NOT MINE, but HIS.

    I consider this manner of acting an abuse of his authority as a Moderator and is a deception for people who are reading a post I NEVER WROTE.

    Therefore, I ask the Moderator TO PERMANENTLY REMOVE THIS POST.

    Unfortunately this forum has been hijacked by many sedevacantists and paradoxically its Moderator is too timid in denouncing the lies of Bp. Fellay.

    I quit CathInfo and I will advise my friends to do the same.

    ctarozzi