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The Greg Taylor resistance (Fr. Hewko)
« on: January 30, 2026, 05:09:29 PM »
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  • Just wanted to add a few thoughts to that thread about the Greg Taylor resistance (this is what we should call it from now on - since Father Hewko calls him the "GK Chesterton of our times".


    The videos of this cult are getting quite a few views on youtube, and they are literally getting followers from the confusion people have between them and us. Even more compounded by the Father Hewko Marian Corps and the Father Chazal Marian Corps.


    The bottom line is that they have pretty much definitely cut all ties with us. They are no longer trying to reconcile with us or bring us "back to the Truth", but attack us.






    For people who are discerning, you need to go on the attack. Don't let them be the attackers, which is what they thrive of. So let me give you a few pointers on how to deal with them:


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    Ask them "Where are your Bishops??". They will dodge the question and say something about God providing. They all give fifty different answers depending on who you are talking to. But this is their Achilles heel. Why? Because if they are the true remnant they would have at least one Bishop. Why? Because Our Lord promised that His Church would last until the end of time. This means his Sacraments.


    The Bishop, not the priest is fullness of the Sacrament of Holy Orders. This is part of OUR FAITH. When Our Lord promised that His Church would last until the end of time, he did not mean just lay people with the Faith. He meant his clergy. That, even at the time of the AntiChrist there would be at least one Catholic Bishop somewhere alive and able to perform the Sacraments. While after Baptism you can make it to heaven technically without the other Sacraments, this does not mean the other sacraments will just fail. There will always be some holy marriages, some good confirmations, some good confessions, some good Masses, somewhere in the world. The Church militant including the Bishops would survive. ALWAYS.

    Knowing this some of the Greg Taylor cult will try to say there are secret Bishops somewhere. We just don't know where they are. However Pope Greg Taylor, when pressed on the issue recently in a telegram chat was even more non committal, he just said "we don't know".

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    Whats even more disturbing though is their radical change in the importance of Operation Surivival of Archbishop Lefebvre.

    According to Greg it was not about consecrating Bishops, but preserving the Faith.

    Here are Gregs words:
    "I don't think you really appreciate or understand what Archbishop Lefebvre did in 1988. Read the text of his sermon on that day, where he says, in his own words, what he's doing and why. "I am simply a bishop of the Catholic Church who is continuing to transmit Catholic doctrine."

    Notice he says that what he is transmitting is "Catholic doctrine" - not "bishops" or "holy orders" or "clergy". "


    Of course when it was pointed out to Greg that THE WHOLE POINT OF THE EVENT WAS TO CONSECRATE BISHOPS, he just ignores that. Refused to answer.


    This is because his theological position is, and I quote:

    "Catholic clergy presupposes the Catholic Faith. Sacred Scripture, for instance, doesn't say "without the clergy it is impossible to please God." - Greg Taylor

    This is completely false and erroneous. If you believe this you are not Catholic. Why? Because the Sacrament of Holy Orders is part of our Faith, and so the Catholic Faith is what presupposes Catholic Clergy, not the other way around. A lay member of the Church Militant may not be in the same physical place as a Bishop, but the existence of the Catholic Faith, which each and everyone of us are compelled to discern is an objective thing. We can see it in others. Probably one of the main reasons Our Lord compelled us to profess our Faith. So others can be brought to it. But he deisgnated Clergy for that particular teaching and preaching role, so they are obliged even more than lay people to profess their Faith publicly on a regular basis, as well as instruct in it and bring everybody to it.


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    A lot of Gregs problems are based around a confusion between one's personal faith, and THE Faith, objectively known and discernable to all, even the Demons. And also a denial of the visibility of the Church. Because HIS faith might survive without Bishops, means that THE Church can survive without Bishops.


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    Also interesting, when asked exactly how long this situation of no Bishops would go on for, there was no answer. Because they have none. A period without the office of the Papacy always happened in the Church, but there has NEVER been a period without Catholic Bishops, The Sacrament of Holy Orders has always continued. It is wholy abhorrent to all pious ears to say otherwise

    Their position is an implied attackon the Sacrament, and they are drifting more and more to making it explicit. It is perverse and must be rejected by anyone who loves Our Lord and His Holy Religion.

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    So they are a cult, for at least the reason that they are based around the opinions of a layman. Not the office of Bishop, which is the proper role given to this task by Our Lord.

    From now on it's important that they be exposed in my opinion. Torn down ruthlessly. Because they are just toxic.It doesnt matter anymore if they are personally scandalised, because the damage they are causing is greater than their personal scandal. Don't feel sorry for them.






    I'll end with that and leave you with some of Pope Gregory's quotes which I used above :



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    "I could tell you that we need bishops, and I might be wrong. Or that we don't need them and I might be wrong about that too. What I'm certain of is that God gives us what we need. So if there is a need for a bishop at some point (now? ...soon? ...at some point in the future?) then God will provide."
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    "Let me clear this up. We're the original Resistance. Many of us remember leaving the SSPX in 2012 and 2013. The only reason there's any confusion as to who / what the Resistance is today, is because Bishop Williamson's followers - people who dedicated themselves to agreeing with and defending whatever he said no matter how obviously wrong, and even if they themselves had been saying the opposite five minutes earlier - insist on calling themselves "the Resistance" even though their guiding light Bishop Williamson disavowed the name every time it came up and told anyone who would listen that he didn't even believe in such a thing as "the Resistance."

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    "Catholic clergy presupposes the Catholic Faith. Sacred Scripture, for instance, doesn't say "without the clergy it is impossible to please God."
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    ".I don't think you really appreciate or understand what Archbishop Lefebvre did in 1988. Read the text of his sermon on that day, where he says, in his own words, what he's doing and why. "I am simply a bishop of the Catholic Church who is continuing to transmit Catholic doctrine."

    Notice he says that what he is transmitting is "Catholic doctrine" - not "bishops" or "holy orders" or "clergy". "

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    Re: The Greg Taylor resistance (Fr. Hewko)
    « Reply #1 on: January 30, 2026, 08:39:48 PM »
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  • :confused:  What? Who are they? What have they to do with them? Who is he, for that matter? Are we one of them? Suppose they attack us? To whom shall we flee? Am I one of us? What if I’m one of those? Have you (pl.) mistakenly followed them or us? What about you (singular)?  Have you cut all ties to them? 
    Surely they have ceased to be Catholic? Do they consider me to be schismatic and those others the remnant? Or Vice-versa, Those clinging to Archbishop LeFebvre are Catholic? Or have failed along the way? 
    Am I discerning enough to go on the attack? Are you? Are we? What of them, they, or those others?  Perhaps I should be attacked for my toxicity. Where is my bishop? Is he, too toxic? But wait, he exists in secret. Then who is that man living in the attic above my garage?  But he may be completely false and erroneous. Maybe that’s why I’ve never see him. What do I make of the trads whose priest has said I can slip inside at the last minute, sit in the back corner, hear Mass but not receive the Sacraments, and to avoid scandalizing the largest donors, may not join in coffee and donuts or speak with anyone, just leave immediately after Mass. Are these those who’re apt to lose their faith if they learn I maintained a correspondence of 20 years with someone with whom they (or their parents and grandparents) had a falling out 43 years ago? 
    Please, I’d be ever so edified by being allowed to associate with the REAL resistance or, is it the fake resistance, or neither. Please, oh please, accept me into your clique, your cult of personality  It is only out of you, there will come a true pope and of him, real bishops!


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    Re: The Greg Taylor resistance (Fr. Hewko)
    « Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 02:55:26 AM »
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  • :confused:  What? Who are they? What have they to do with them? Who is he, for that matter? Are we one of them? Suppose they attack us? To whom shall we flee? Am I one of us? What if I’m one of those? Have you (pl.) mistakenly followed them or us? What about you (singular)?  Have you cut all ties to them?
    Surely they have ceased to be Catholic? Do they consider me to be schismatic and those others the remnant? Or Vice-versa, Those clinging to Archbishop LeFebvre are Catholic? Or have failed along the way?
    Am I discerning enough to go on the attack? Are you? Are we? What of them, they, or those others?  Perhaps I should be attacked for my toxicity. Where is my bishop? Is he, too toxic? But wait, he exists in secret. Then who is that man living in the attic above my garage?  But he may be completely false and erroneous. Maybe that’s why I’ve never see him. What do I make of the trads whose priest has said I can slip inside at the last minute, sit in the back corner, hear Mass but not receive the Sacraments, and to avoid scandalizing the largest donors, may not join in coffee and donuts or speak with anyone, just leave immediately after Mass. Are these those who’re apt to lose their faith if they learn I maintained a correspondence of 20 years with someone with whom they (or their parents and grandparents) had a falling out 43 years ago?
    Please, I’d be ever so edified by being allowed to associate with the REAL resistance or, is it the fake resistance, or neither. Please, oh please, accept me into your clique, your cult of personality  It is only out of you, there will come a true pope and of him, real bishops!
    You are so funny Seraphina!! 😊🤣🤣
    Greg is a layman who I met years ago before he and his wife stopped going to SSPX and left with Bp Williamson and others. Greg and his wife then fell out with Bp Williamson and formed another group also calling themselves the resistance. Both groups constantly insult each other. Greg’s group only have a few priests and no bishops. Fr Hewko is their main priest and his followers hardly go to Mass here in UK because Fr H has to visit from America. It’s insane and really sad they don’t go to Mass regularly. 

    This is why we go to diocesan Latin Mass (occasionally SSPX). Catholicism is not a clique or a cult and despite the failings of the church in 2026 it is still the true church and Leo is the true pope. We do not abandon the ship and form splinter groups. 

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    Re: The Greg Taylor resistance (Fr. Hewko)
    « Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 03:38:11 AM »
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  • :confused:  What? Who are they? What have they to do with them? Who is he, for that matter? Are we one of them? Suppose they attack us? To whom shall we flee? Am I one of us? What if I’m one of those? Have you (pl.) mistakenly followed them or us? What about you (singular)?  Have you cut all ties to them?
    Surely they have ceased to be Catholic? Do they consider me to be schismatic and those others the remnant? Or Vice-versa, Those clinging to Archbishop LeFebvre are Catholic? Or have failed along the way?
    Am I discerning enough to go on the attack? Are you? Are we? What of them, they, or those others?  Perhaps I should be attacked for my toxicity. Where is my bishop? Is he, too toxic? But wait, he exists in secret. Then who is that man living in the attic above my garage?  But he may be completely false and erroneous. Maybe that’s why I’ve never see him. What do I make of the trads whose priest has said I can slip inside at the last minute, sit in the back corner, hear Mass but not receive the Sacraments, and to avoid scandalizing the largest donors, may not join in coffee and donuts or speak with anyone, just leave immediately after Mass. Are these those who’re apt to lose their faith if they learn I maintained a correspondence of 20 years with someone with whom they (or their parents and grandparents) had a falling out 43 years ago?
    Please, I’d be ever so edified by being allowed to associate with the REAL resistance or, is it the fake resistance, or neither. Please, oh please, accept me into your clique, your cult of personality  It is only out of you, there will come a true pope and of him, real bishops!
    Because we are not involved with either resistance group (Fr Hewko’s or Bp Williamson’s) Greg has always been extremely polite and respectful on the few occasions I’ve encountered him. He’s actually very well educated and an expert in Latin and Classics. So I don’t want to say anything uncharitable.

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    Re: The Greg Taylor resistance (Fr. Hewko)
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  • Yet here you both are, posting on a resistance forum. A "bishop Williamson" resistance forum.

    :jester::jester::jester::jester:



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    Re: The Greg Taylor resistance (Fr. Hewko)
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  • Yet here you both are, posting on a resistance forum. A "bishop Williamson" resistance forum.

    :jester::jester::jester::jester:
    Both? I’m only one person I’m not a schizophrenic 🤣

    I am not a resistance supporter but I accept we are all responding to the crisis in the church in our own way. I may not agree with the way you respond but I’m not going to dismiss everything someone says just because of where they choose to go to Mass. I treat people as individuals and there are good and bad people in every group. 

    I am interested in some of the discussions here, I am in UK as you know and have met the late Bishop Williamson prior to his departure from the SSPX. 

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  • Both refers you and the other poster .
    Just have a bit of self awareness please, is all I ask.
    Thank you for your attention to this matter!

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    Re: The Greg Taylor resistance (Fr. Hewko)
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  • You are so funny Seraphina!! 😊🤣🤣
    Greg is a layman who I met years ago before he and his wife stopped going to SSPX and left with Bp Williamson and others. Greg and his wife then fell out with Bp Williamson and formed another group also calling themselves the resistance. Both groups constantly insult each other. Greg’s group only have a few priests and no bishops. Fr Hewko is their main priest and his followers hardly go to Mass here in UK because Fr H has to visit from America. It’s insane and really sad they don’t go to Mass regularly.

    This is why we go to diocesan Latin Mass (occasionally SSPX). Catholicism is not a clique or a cult and despite the failings of the church in 2026 it is still the true church and Leo is the true pope. We do not abandon the ship and form splinter groups.
    I ask these questions in jest and with a good measure of disgust. Those who who involve themselves in these type of issues, come to a bad end. “He said-she said,” we say-you say, it’s us and you, or you and them?  “Choose ye this day, to which clique you belong.” If Fr. X be the Church, follow him. If Fr. Y. have the truth, then follow him. If clerics themselves cannot agree, if you yourselves admit to lacking the authority to say yea to this one and nay to the other, how is it you expect me, a Janie-come-lately to the Faith, an older laywoman, to proclaim who among you is right, and if I choose wrong, you withhold absolution, you bar the Sacraments to me, you behave thusly in the sight and hearing of my unbelieving family, and proclaim I’m likely going to hell for failure to save my unregenerate cousins? Really? By whose authority?  

    What time I observe people functioning at the level of sixth grade middle school girls, I flee. Religious cliques, Pharisaism, or the opposite side of the same coin, just as bad, Sadducaism, rest assure I make my presence scarce. “________, where’ve you been? Haven’t seen you in ages. We (?) thought you’d left the Church, gone novus ordo, gone indult, moved away, passed away…”
    My new motto, “Don’t ask; don’t tell, lest my soul descend to Hell.” 
    Let me conclude with the profound words of John Lennon on acid, 
    “I am he as you are he as you are me as we are all together, 
    Come together, right now, over me,
    Goo, goo, g’joob,
    I am the walrus.
    (Back masking- Paul is dead.)”


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    Re: The Greg Taylor resistance (Fr. Hewko)
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  • I ask these questions in jest and with a good measure of disgust. Those who who involve themselves in these type of issues, come to a bad end. “He said-she said,” we say-you say, it’s us and you, or you and them?  “Choose ye this day, to which clique you belong.” If Fr. X be the Church, follow him. If Fr. Y. have the truth, then follow him. If clerics themselves cannot agree, if you yourselves admit to lacking the authority to say yea to this one and nay to the other, how is it you expect me, a Janie-come-lately to the Faith, an older laywoman, to proclaim who among you is right, and if I choose wrong, you withhold absolution, you bar the Sacraments to me, you behave thusly in the sight and hearing of my unbelieving family, and proclaim I’m likely going to hell for failure to save my unregenerate cousins? Really? By whose authority? 

    What time I observe people functioning at the level of sixth grade middle school girls, I flee. Religious cliques, Pharisaism, or the opposite side of the same coin, just as bad, Sadducaism, rest assure I make my presence scarce. “________, where’ve you been? Haven’t seen you in ages. We (?) thought you’d left the Church, gone novus ordo, gone indult, moved away, passed away…”
    My new motto, “Don’t ask; don’t tell, lest my soul descend to Hell.”
    Let me conclude with the profound words of John Lennon on acid,
    “I am he as you are he as you are me as we are all together,
    Come together, right now, over me,
    Goo, goo, g’joob,
    I am the walrus.
    (Back masking- Paul is dead.)”
    You are SO RIGHT! I am just avoiding all groups with this clique gossiping mindset.

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  • You are SO RIGHT! I am just avoiding all groups with this clique gossiping mindset.
    Since that’s all there is, in my neck of the woods, I make myself scarce; so scarce so as to bypass social media. I don’t use it at all, never have. If I’m a stranger who sometimes comes to Mass, who keeps to herself, who doesn’t stick around, there’s nothing for anyone to post on social media. When there’s nothing gossip worthy, there’s no gossip. 
    Better to have no friends than friends of the wrong sort.  

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  • Since that’s all there is, in my neck of the woods, I make myself scarce; so scarce so as to bypass social media. I don’t use it at all, never have. If I’m a stranger who sometimes comes to Mass, who keeps to herself, who doesn’t stick around, there’s nothing for anyone to post on social media. When there’s nothing gossip worthy, there’s no gossip.
    Better to have no friends than friends of the wrong sort. 

    I understand your position. Just go to Mass and avoid the drama. I don’t care what Mass others go to as long as they’re not nasty and cliquey and gossipy. But in the light of the vile stuff that’s happening in the world this pales into insignificance….


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  • Archbishop Lefebvre was a holy man.

    He consecrated Bishops against the wishes of Rome. That was a good thing.

    He then said never to deal with them as long as they have not rejected Vatican II. Also a good thing.

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    Re: The Greg Taylor resistance (Fr. Hewko)
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  • Greg Taylor is a man who may seem nice on the outside but theologically he can't even make a difference between a valid Mass and a licit Mass (other people, not just me, tried and fail to explain to him the difference). There is a reason why I want a Resistance bishop to sign off on my articles if I write any. I tried to talk to them last October, but nope, to no avail. They later said I misrepresented them in the thread (didn't say how) and couldn't actually answer the rebuttals to supposed "six points" they have against Bp. Williamson. And when they run out of arguments, they just create more "points" where Bp. Williamson supposedly "fell into grave error" and they need to correct the world. Whatever.

    They want a bishop that submits to laymen, specifically the publications of Greg Taylor. Otherwise, the bishop is wrong and has lost the Faith. And anyone who doesn't have a YouTube channel ranting about "the errors of Bp. Williamson" isn't doing the maximum for Christ and will therefore be condemned to hell for silence. When you press them on "do you truly believe you are the last remnant" they'll recoil and deny that they ever said that, only for Fr. Hewko to call everyone else "Fake" Resistance in their next sermon and say the "silent" bishops will go to hell.

    I've dealt with narcissists in my life a lot and the one thing I can tell you is that narcissists are always right in their own mind. Even if you disprove them to their face, they do not accept logic. You'll just be a "Fake Resistance defender" and so on and so forth. A literal micro-cult, sad but it is what it is.

    The only last thing I could try is to mail that thread to Fr. Hewko to clear him up about his own errors. But I don't think it will do much, it'll just be "pro forma". I'm not sure it's even my job, but whatever. I had other things to do these last months, like working and praying for example. It seems many of these people just have too much time on their hands, especially the older and retired ones.

    And yes, we should fight them because they are few and they cause a lot of harm - they say they are "Resistance" but they are just their own cult riding off the branding of hating Bp. Williamson. It only takes one comment under each one of their videos to keep another person from getting more involved in their cult. That's why they constantly have to come here to spam their videos, because they'd seem crazy to anyone else. Remember, many people are just reading and scrolling, not actively posting, getting affected by the out-of-context clips they post.

    In the end, remember: Monks tried to poison Saint Benedict, Saint Francis of Assisi was expelled from his own order, Saint Thérèse of Lisieux was not seen as a saint by many of her sisters. In the end, in the final end, these detractors usually don't fare well. There are certain things that we have to be strict and vigilant about, like not compromising with the modernists in Rome, caring about getting valid sacraments, caring about not falling into sin ourselves due to laxity. Then there are things which are not dogma, whether the pope is or isn't pope, whether Bp. Williamson said or didn't say something 10 years ago, whether Fr. X or Y did this or that. There are many people online who try to slander and attack and divide, in order to confuse people so they go "well these people are divided, so therefore they are schismatics". They'll get their pay from God one day. While it's not our fault if people create rumors, gossip and division, we need to start praying 3 rosaries per day, one rosary seems to be not enough.