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Offline Diego

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The good news
« on: October 16, 2012, 05:51:29 PM »
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  • The good news is that every Sunday Mass at our parish was told that the parish collections no longer meet expenses.

    Clearly the laity have decided to no longer fund the despotic Zionism.

    Offline bowler

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    « Reply #1 on: October 17, 2012, 06:04:13 PM »
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  • Menzingen owns all the properties. They are throwing out our freinds. Why should we give them money? We may need it later to start the process all over again.


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    « Reply #2 on: October 17, 2012, 07:44:20 PM »
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  • And the next step could be Father Rostand sending out "Focus Group"
    leaders to the chapels to determine what the underlying problem is ?


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    The good news
    « Reply #3 on: October 17, 2012, 08:13:49 PM »
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  • But if expenses aren't met, then the chapels close? Everyone left without Sacraments while we work out the next phase?  That could take awhile...especially in the areas that are satellites of larger centers.

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    The good news
    « Reply #4 on: October 17, 2012, 08:30:44 PM »
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  • Sad to say, but the leadership in Menzingen will only take notice if the collection plate dries up. Bamboozled by the modernists? No problem. Expelling loyal priests and bishops? No problem. Longtime parishioners leaving chapels in droves? No problem. Lack of funds for travel to Rome for the next round of "negotiations?" BIG PROBLEM!


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    « Reply #5 on: October 17, 2012, 09:40:40 PM »
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  • Quote from: finegan
    Sad to say, but the leadership in Menzingen will only take notice if the collection plate dries up. Bamboozled by the modernists? No problem. Expelling loyal priests and bishops? No problem. Longtime parishioners leaving chapels in droves? No problem. Lack of funds for travel to Rome for the next round of "negotiations?" BIG PROBLEM!



    Bingo.  



    There is no moral cause for any good Catholic to put money in an SSPX collection
    basket any more.  Everyone should be putting NOTES in that explain why the
    money is missing:

    Say goodbye to +Williamson, say goodbye to my money.

    Who done it? You done it! No Funds For U.

    Looking for money here? Well, I'm looking for Fr. Pheiffer.

    Where's My Money? Oh, Where's My Fr. Chazal?

    You take away my bishop, I'll take away my donations.

    I used to contribute $$$$ but now I know better.

    So, let the General Bursar know you've been had.

    Want some cash? Ask Bernie Fellay, he's rolling in it.  




    Get creative. Let them know what's wrong with this picture. It is your DUTY.





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    « Reply #6 on: October 17, 2012, 10:22:22 PM »
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  • Notes are to obvious for a small chapel where the same 2 people carry the collection baskets every week. I used a 1 dollar bill- wrote Chazal across it in permanent marker with large letters. Fold in half, clean side out. Watch them sift through the cash later and try to figure it out... :detective:  ...so they get a buck, but not the usual weekly 40. Next Sun - "Williamson"  - have to write smaller   :laugh1:

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    « Reply #7 on: October 18, 2012, 09:30:34 AM »
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  • Quote from: finegan
    Sad to say, but the leadership in Menzingen will only take notice if the collection plate dries up. Bamboozled by the modernists? No problem. Expelling loyal priests and bishops? No problem. Longtime parishioners leaving chapels in droves? No problem. Lack of funds for travel to Rome for the next round of "negotiations?" BIG PROBLEM!


    Exactly!


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    « Reply #8 on: October 18, 2012, 02:17:12 PM »
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  • I've read all the comments on this thread and totally agree. It goes against every fibre of my being to put money into the collection basket...BUT if we don't give enough to support our chapel  won't +Felley just follow Rome's example and CLOSE THE CHAPEL?????  After all the property is worth far more than what we contribute in the short term.  With all the priests leaving or going to be dismissed +Felley will just repeat New Rome's pattern "not enough priests, not enough parishoners to support the chapel   CLOSE IT"  Could this be what he really wants?

    I hope I'm totally wrong, so instead of hitting the disagree button please tell me why I'm wrong and if you see a solution.  Please tell me why we should give or why we shouldn't.
    Thank you.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    The good news
    « Reply #9 on: October 18, 2012, 03:17:47 PM »
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  • My 2c (ha ha)

    I'd try and ask your chapel's treasurer for a more complete picture. "Not meeting expenses" isn't the same as "can't pay the bills". Depending on the priest, they might start trying to guilt people into contributing more the minute the collection itself doesn't cover the monthly expenses (or sooner!), but that doesn't mean that there isn't a savings account which could be used.

    Now, if the chapel's savings were being depleted on a monthly basis, would they consider closing the chapel? I have no idea, but doing so wouldn't be justified.

    It might be the case that your chapel has no savings and that the collection is needed to continue operating as normal. If that was the case, I'd consider ways to support your local Mass without also sending money upstream.
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum ...

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    « Reply #10 on: October 18, 2012, 03:42:02 PM »
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  • Quote from: MaterDominici
    My 2c (ha ha)

    I'd try and ask your chapel's treasurer for a more complete picture. "Not meeting expenses" isn't the same as "can't pay the bills". Depending on the priest, they might start trying to guilt people into contributing more the minute the collection itself doesn't cover the monthly expenses (or sooner!), but that doesn't mean that there isn't a savings account which could be used.

    Now, if the chapel's savings were being depleted on a monthly basis, would they consider closing the chapel? I have no idea, but doing so wouldn't be justified.

    It might be the case that your chapel has no savings and that the collection is needed to continue operating as normal. If that was the case, I'd consider ways to support your local Mass without also sending money upstream.


    Ah, a most intuitive and thoughtful woman!

    She's used to watching the check-book...

    While discerning the Father's "hype" (for good or bad) about the family budget.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    « Reply #11 on: October 18, 2012, 08:29:48 PM »
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  • Quote from: Miseremini
    I've read all the comments on this thread and totally agree. It goes against every fibre of my being to put money into the collection basket...BUT if we don't give enough to support our chapel  won't +Felley just follow Rome's example and CLOSE THE CHAPEL?????  After all the property is worth far more than what we contribute in the short term.  With all the priests leaving or going to be dismissed +Felley will just repeat New Rome's pattern "not enough priests, not enough parishoners to support the chapel   CLOSE IT"  Could this be what he really wants?

    I hope I'm totally wrong, so instead of hitting the disagree button please tell me why I'm wrong and if you see a solution.  Please tell me why we should give or why we shouldn't.
    Thank you.


    If they close the chapel, both chaplain and flock will be looking elsewhere for organization. In all likelihood, this will be the nascent "hardliner" SSPX. Seems fine to me, the sooner the current Menzigen "apparatus" collapses, the better. The "imported" chaplains will tend to go to their respective homelands, and those who like Menzigen's leftward drift will find themselves packed 3 or 4 to a chapel, serving ever dwindling flocks.

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    The good news
    « Reply #12 on: October 18, 2012, 11:16:40 PM »
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  • Quote from: MaterDominici
    I'd try and ask your chapel's treasurer for a more complete picture. "Not meeting expenses" isn't the same as "can't pay the bills". Depending on the priest, they might start trying to guilt people into contributing more the minute the collection itself doesn't cover the monthly expenses (or sooner!), but that doesn't mean that there isn't a savings account which could be used.....


    That has always been the M.O., so I see no need to ask. I assume that there is plenty of reserve. I am content to see them spend down the reserves.  If I am wrong and there are no reserves, so much the better. Over a plate of dog food they will see so much sooner where their path of perfidy leads.

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    « Reply #13 on: October 19, 2012, 02:52:36 AM »
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  • Quote from: ultrarigorist
    If they close the chapel, ...

    Good for us:
    The SSPX leadership doesn't want to close chapels, but open more chapels, build and buy new buildings, etc. Because they feel big and important (see their caviar lawyer and consultant Krah), and that's why they undertake too much, actually, and are very wasteful compared to the times under Archbishop Lefebvre.

    See Bishop Williamson's Last Cardrige Eleison Comment.

    So I think you US Catholics by decreasing or stopping the funds to the SSPX, do exactly the right thing. This is the "language" they understand. They won't change their liberal course until the leadership would be replaced (not likely in an hierarchy), but at least you fight.

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    « Reply #14 on: October 19, 2012, 03:58:23 AM »
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  • The colon between "Good for us:" and on the next line "The SSPX leadership" is maybe not very clear, so what I mean is:
    Quote from: ultrarigorist
    If they close the chapel, ...

    Good for us is the fact that the SSPX leadership doesn't want to close... but...

     

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