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Offline Kephapaulos

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The Fruits of the Resistance
« on: August 07, 2017, 08:58:58 PM »
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    • What are the good fruits of taking the Resistance position? Please list them.
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    Re: The Fruits of the Resistance
    « Reply #1 on: August 07, 2017, 10:49:47 PM »
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    • Complete assurance of valid Sacraments
    Security of holding the true positions of ArchBishop LeFebvre without compromise.
    Having the 'Mind of the Church" which contains prudence and balance and does not lend itself to personal or imprudent extremes.
    Knowing there will be continuity of Tradition through the Consecration of Bishops.

    There are a lot more but these just came to my head
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    Re: The Fruits of the Resistance
    « Reply #2 on: August 07, 2017, 11:32:33 PM »
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    • Although they are not immediately conspicuous, the fruits of the Catholic resistance are the preservation of the Faith.

    The resistance is a continuum of Catholic fighters from the Roman Coliseum martyrs to the Crusaders to the Cristeros.

    We represent a continuum of the Catholic "Counter-revolutionary spirit" ... and are proud of it.

    We fight the perfidious Jєω, the heretic, pagans and traitors to the Faith.



    Without an SSPX Resistance, Max Krah would be sitting in Menzingen's Superior General's seat....
    and Bp Fellay would be down the hall in a small office, looking out the window.

    We are the Resistance, and represent the Counter-Revolutionary spirit of the Catholic Church!
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    Re: The Fruits of the Resistance
    « Reply #3 on: August 08, 2017, 01:11:22 AM »
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    • I mostly agree, but do know there are disadvantages.  

    Not all calling themselves Resistance are on the same page.  Like Traditionalists as a whole, and the entire Church Militant, the Resistance has its lunatic fringe.  Some are extremely imprudent and imprudently extreme.  

    The Resistance is too new to offer stability over the long term.  Hopefully, it will, but it's too soon to tell.  Five years isn't exactly well-established, bishops or not.

    Many Catholics who support the Resistance have no access to it.

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    Re: The Fruits of the Resistance
    « Reply #4 on: August 08, 2017, 04:28:15 AM »
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    • Since Cathinfo is riddled with liberals and people who have not woken up clearly to what the resistance is about let me make myself abundantly clear on this point.

    The resistance is the ONLY way. If you want to save your soul, you should support the resistance.

    If there are problems, it is either the age old human problems (which you will always find in the Church),  or it is the fact that resistance Catholics are not strong enough, and liberals love to take advantage of that weakness.


    The fruits of the resistance therefore can only ever be the same fruits that the Church has borne forth since its inception.

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    Re: The Fruits of the Resistance
    « Reply #5 on: August 08, 2017, 10:14:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on August 08, 2017, 01:11:22 AM
    The Resistance is too new to offer stability over the long term.  Hopefully, it will, but it's too soon to tell.  Five years isn't exactly well-established, bishops or not.

    Many Catholics who support the Resistance have no access to it.

    I don't think we can look at it in terms of what stability the Resistance has to offer us but rather what stability we have to offer the Resistance. "The Resistance" is not an organization that we can depend on because it is a network that depends on us. We have to put the things of God first. We have to prove to God how much we still desire His grace and the Sacraments. We have to work hard to set up our own little private chapels and be ready for whenever the Church must again go underground. With all the talk of "freedom" in today's society, it seems impossible that that should happen but it could be closer around the corner than we think and we need to be prepared. Already the Resistance has to operate a little more underground than the SSPX, and not just because of modernists but because of the SSPX itself!

    If a person doesn't have access to the Resistance they need to work on building their own access. Every year there are more priests being pushed out of the SSPX. They will need stable and edifying places to go. I know this is all easier said than done, but I firmly believe God will provide if we *really* put our money where our mouths are.

    It scares me to "go independent". It is far from ideal and it's something I never would have thought we'd be doing. But this is the time and circuмstance God has placed us in. He will provide the graces we need to keep our Faith if we put Him first, and not just in words but truly in deeds.

    There will still be many whose Cross will be that they do not have access and cannot build it. I pray and believe God will sustain them in their sorrows. That would be a particularly difficult Cross I think. Those who can, however, should not waste any time. It's very much a time to be proactive.











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    Re: The Fruits of the Resistance
    « Reply #6 on: August 08, 2017, 02:23:56 PM »
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    It would seem a particular newsletter author (Greg Taylor) believes a positive fruit of the Resistance is the ability to recognize certain deficiencies, "false or immoral teaching, or things calculated to harm the Faith," such as:
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    (from Issue 41, The Recusant, pg. 4)
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    ...there is a serious point here...
    ...the promotion of the New Mass, 
    the promotion of bogus conciliar “miracles”, 
    the promotion of heresy condemned by the pre-conciliar Holy Office, 
    the promotion of priests suspended for serious immorality, 
    the promotion of a type of “the Church is broken and cannot be fixed” fatalism calculated to kill charity and apostolicity stone dead. 
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    These are things which no one has the right to “endure” without becoming complicit in them and jointly responsible for the harm which their promotion will bring about...
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    It's not easy to isolate accusations he writes about without raising suspicion of malediction.
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    Re: The Fruits of the Resistance
    « Reply #7 on: August 08, 2017, 05:52:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: wallflower on August 08, 2017, 10:14:52 AM
    There will still be many whose Cross will be that they do not have access and cannot build it. I pray and believe God will sustain them in their sorrows. That would be a particularly difficult Cross I think. Those who can, however, should not waste any time. It's very much a time to be proactive.
    This is my situation.  Up until four years ago, I was proactive and able to access Resistance Masses.  Events happened.  I was put out of the SSPX for something I did not do, unrelated to the Resistance. Changes in finances, health, family obligations, and finally, rejection by warring factions within the Resistance itself have left me on my own.  Barring a great miracles, I'll die in this condition.  In belief, I'm Catholic, but so far as ability to practice as a normal Catholic, there is nothing and nobody.  The few people around me who claim to be Catholic will not so much as say grace before meals.  Some  Protestants invite me to their church with offers of material assistance.  When I decline, they withdraw the goods!  No surprise there.  Most people I encounter are not religious, meaning they live as if there is no God.  I lost the few friends I had after getting booted aside by the Resistants, more interested in following this or that priest's personality cult or agenda.  
    I try to live my spiritual life as if I am in solitary confinement in a gulag.  I wage a constant war against depression, sadness, anxiety, fear.  My only real help comes from the Rosary and a prayer to Our Lord, Jesus, Help Me!, found in my old Fr. Stedman missal.  I'll post it later on the thread for prayers and devotions.  Hopefully, it will help others in similar circuмstances.  I KNOW there have to be others, but I've not found them.  
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    Re: The Fruits of the Resistance
    « Reply #8 on: August 08, 2017, 08:26:21 PM »
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    • Dear Seraphina,
    Your brokenheartedness is palpable, but you are not orphaned. In fact you are closer than ever to our Lord who himself had no place to rest His head. I'm sorry about what happened to you, and I too think most here have suffered similar( probably not as great as yours) rejection, isolation, misunderstanding and loneliness. Unfortunately it is the sign of the times and of the state of the Church. In order to be true to God and to oneself, this suffering, in one way or another is necessary to endure. The other option is dreaded compromise. Sounds like you would never go there!

     At some point all the faithful will have will be the Rosary and the devotion to the Immaculata.
    You are there alone, now, but not for long. God bless you.
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    Re: The Fruits of the Resistance
    « Reply #9 on: August 08, 2017, 08:57:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on August 08, 2017, 05:52:18 PM
    This is my situation.  Up until four years ago, I was proactive and able to access Resistance Masses.  Events happened.  I was put out of the SSPX for something I did not do, unrelated to the Resistance. Changes in finances, health, family obligations, and finally, rejection by warring factions within the Resistance itself have left me on my own.  Barring a great miracles, I'll die in this condition.  In belief, I'm Catholic, but so far as ability to practice as a normal Catholic, there is nothing and nobody.  The few people around me who claim to be Catholic will not so much as say grace before meals.  Some  Protestants invite me to their church with offers of material assistance.  When I decline, they withdraw the goods!  No surprise there.  Most people I encounter are not religious, meaning they live as if there is no God.  I lost the few friends I had after getting booted aside by the Resistants, more interested in following this or that priest's personality cult or agenda.  
    I try to live my spiritual life as if I am in solitary confinement in a gulag.  I wage a constant war against depression, sadness, anxiety, fear.  My only real help comes from the Rosary and a prayer to Our Lord, Jesus, Help Me!, found in my old Fr. Stedman missal.  I'll post it later on the thread for prayers and devotions.  Hopefully, it will help others in similar circuмstances.  I KNOW there have to be others, but I've not found them.  
    Trust me, you are not alone. My family is in the same situation. We did have Fr. Voigt offer Mass a couple of times a year, but now he is ill. I believe his heart operation is this week, please pray for him. 
    It is very difficult for my family to be alone, but financially and health wise there is no other way. We've learned a lot of hard lessons, but are consoled in prayer. It is just something we have to do, and live our lives as prayerfully as we can in our station in life. We will never be abandoned.
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    Re: The Fruits of the Resistance
    « Reply #10 on: August 08, 2017, 11:29:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on August 08, 2017, 05:52:18 PM
    I try to live my spiritual life as if I am in solitary confinement in a gulag.  I wage a constant war against depression, sadness, anxiety, fear.  My only real help comes from the Rosary and a prayer to Our Lord, Jesus, Help Me!, found in my old Fr. Stedman missal.  I'll post it later on the thread for prayers and devotions.  Hopefully, it will help others in similar circuмstances.  I KNOW there have to be others, but I've not found them.  

    I think Seraphina is slightly ahead of the curve, but the real Traditional Catholic movement is on the same trajectory.

    We will lose the Mass and be forced underground.  Our Lady of Fatima has said so.

    Our only two remedies will be the Holy Rosary and Devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

    If its any consolation, Trads like Seraphina are cutting the path for us.


    Two last remedies to save the world 

    “Father, the Blessed Virgin did not tell me that we are in the last times of the world, but I understood this for three reasons: 

    “The first is because she told me that the Devil is engaging in a battle with the Virgin, a decisive battle. It is a final battle where one party will be victorious and the other will suffer defeat. So, from now on, we are either with God or we are with the Devil; there is no middle ground. 

    “The second reason is because she told me, as well as my cousins, that God is giving two last remedies to the world: the Holy Rosary and devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. And, being the last remedies, that is to say, they are the final ones, means that there will be no others.



    'Our Lady never smiled. She was always very sad'
    “And the third, because in the plans of the Divine Providence, when God is going to chastise the world He always first exhausts all other remedies. When He sees that the world pays no attention whatsoever, then, as we say in our imperfect way of talking, with a certain fear He presents us the last means of salvation, His Blessed Mother. 

    If we despise and reject this last means, Heaven will no longer pardon us, because we will have committed a sin that the Gospel calls a sin against the Holy Spirit. This sin consists in openly rejecting – with full knowledge and will – the salvation that is put in our hands. 

    “Also, since Our Lord is a very good Son, He will not permit that we offend and despise His Blessed Mother. We have as obvious testimony the history of different centuries where Our Lord has shown us with terrible examples how He has always defended the honor of His Blessed Mother. 

    “Prayer and sacrifice are the two means to save the world. As for the Holy Rosary, Father, in these last times in which we are living, the Blessed Virgin has given a new efficacy to the praying of the Holy Rosary. This in such a way that there is no problem that cannot be resolved by praying the Rosary, no matter how difficult it is - be it temporal or above all spiritual - in the spiritual life of each of us or the lives of our families, be they our families in the world or Religious Communities, or even in the lives of peoples and nations. 

    “I repeat, there is no problem, as difficult as it may be, that we cannot resolve at this time by praying the Holy Rosary. With the Holy Rosary we will save ourselves, sanctify ourselves, console Our Lord and obtain the salvation of many souls. 

    “Then, there is devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, our Most Holy Mother, holding her as the seat of mercy, goodness and pardon and the sure door to enter Heaven. This is the first part of the Message referring to Our Lady of Fatima, and the second part, which is briefer but no less important, refers to the Holy Father.”

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    Re: The Fruits of the Resistance
    « Reply #11 on: August 09, 2017, 03:08:22 PM »
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    Hello, Seraphina,

    What a beautiful, sad and heartfelt post!

    Is it possible for you to go to Confession and Mass, and then go straight home? Don’t talk politics (apologetics) with anyone. Prefer devotion (private) to apologetics (public). Vatican II has scattered and fragmented all of us. The politics can only be solved by Our Lord. 

    Obviously, you are one of the Elect. The many unElect cause your depression.  

    The SSPX and Resistance priests are all true priests, regardless of their personal sins and failings, and their politics. True priests have the grace to bring Our Lord down to earth. Receive Our Lord, and go home. This era of darkness will end in God’s good time. Ask Our Blessed Mother to hold your hand into Eternity.

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    Re: The Fruits of the Resistance
    « Reply #12 on: August 09, 2017, 03:24:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on August 08, 2017, 05:52:18 PM
     My only real help comes from the Rosary and a prayer to Our Lord, Jesus, Help Me!, found in my old Fr. Stedman missal.  I'll post it later on the thread for prayers and devotions.  Hopefully, it will help others in similar circuмstances.  I KNOW there have to be others, but I've not found them.  

    I'm looking forward to seeing the prayer to Our Lord from your old Fr. Stedman missal. God bless you.
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    Re: The Fruits of the Resistance
    « Reply #13 on: August 10, 2017, 01:53:45 PM »
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    • Seraphina: Many of us are just like you: alone, without friends and Catholic relatives. You have to be strong ...

    It would be good to present an up-to-date list of priests who celebrate mass, with their address and mass schedules, for those who do not know and can attend.

    Pax et Bonum

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    Re: The Fruits of the Resistance
    « Reply #14 on: August 11, 2017, 10:24:04 AM »
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    • I am sorry to hear that Seraphina. You are in our prayers, please pray for us!
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